Zed posted:

 

I do not think that anyone is saying that the present constitution is wonderful.

So given that this whole incident has shown how flawed the constitution is why is the screaming about the fact that Granger didn't follow precedent when the constitution doesn't insist that he is obligated to do so? Granger is NOT acting illegally.  The fact that the PPP is angry that he exercised his right under the constitution to act unilaterally should be enough to show why this document is flawed.

CHANGE the constitution!  That is what 100% of the focus ought to be.  2015 should be the last national election when thus constitution is in force.  Given that the next election is due within 3 years it should be a PRIORITY for those who want democracy to DEMAND that this be dealt with.

But as it is the PPP reneged on the 1992 promise and now APNU/AFC seem ready to do the same.  So we will have another election under this piece of Burnham dirty rags.

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

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What us so wrong with people moving to other places to make a living or to have a better life.

Except that the "better" life eluded many of the PPP supporters who fled to Barbados and Trinidad where the locals saw them as impoverished people who deserved to be exploited.

Please post your source . Or is this just your narrative? Please post how you know it was just PPP supporters who moved tom Barbados and Trinidad. You spew hatred here without being able to validate. Much of what you post regarding this topic has no objective fact, and instead are postulates on your part that fit into your narrative.

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

Really, no kissing of Granger's rear? The only Afro Guyanese complaining publicly are the few WPA  types and some intellectuals.

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So where are these huge crowds of blacks cheering on Granger?  I don't see them.

Of course some racist takes a video of a few stupid boys and suddenly this becomes black people.  And you with your biased opinion of blacks quickly salivates and swallows this.

The dominant view of the PNC support base is that they voted for change, not exchange.  That they remain unimpressed with what they see.  They want to know why all these old people appointed. The vendors were very angry when they were displaced.  Linden frequently expresses their skepticism of Granger, to the point where he hardly even goes there even though that should be the most densely PNC area in Guyana.

And in fact this has been expressed by the PPP crowd as they seek to find evidence that Granger has lost the support of his base.  This is why Jagdeo thinks that he can go to Linden.  When Jagdeo went to Linden where were the defiant crowds chasing him out?  He went there and they went about their usual business.

 

This is just conjecture on your part and have no objective basis. Yes, many are questioning what the coalition is doing, but I do not see the protesrpts by the working class, the students, the youths, the unemployed Afro Guyanese against the government. Granger is acting as if he knows that the Pnc supporters will not desert him regardless of how they feel about how the government is ruling. It is my opinion that Granger knows that no matter what he does, ahistorical support base, especially in Gt, Bartica and LInden will remain solid.

as far as I understand from what Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell.  

class

Zed posted:

 

Please post your source .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean...guyaneseinbdos.shtml

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...nce-%E2%80%93-faria/

https://guyanachronicle.com/20...construction-workers

If you read through you will see that in some instances these workers have had their passports seized by their employers.  In fact there was at least one instance when an employer killed a Guyanese employee who demanded to get pay that was due to him.

Zed posted:

 

as far as I understand from what Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell.  

 

class

Jagdeo was president for 10 years and controlled a stooge for an additional 4. At no point during that period did Jagdeo give any indication that he planned to treat black Guyanese as equals and to be fully inclusive. 

He sued Freddie K because Freddie K told the truth and that he was an institutional racist.  Jagdeo was forced to drop the case because he couldn't refute the evidence furnished by Nigel Hughes that in fact he was.

In the LGE Jagdeo by his own admission admitted that he didn't even attempt to broaden the PPPs base but in fact contested ONLY to Indians.

Jagdeo sniffs discontent among the PNC base and seeks to exploit this by making visits into these strongholds.  What ideas is Jagdeo bringing?  All he is doing is going for photo opps.  NOT assuring the people that a new PPP will be more inclusive than it was between 1992 and 2015.

And please don't wail that the PPP wasn't racist as this is disrespectful to the vast majority of black and mixed Guyanese who insist that they were.. 

Zed posted:

Dave posted:

If you asked the older folks ( grass root   PPP) if they know Jagdeo , the answer is NO .

jagdeo never struggle with or for the ppp . The ppp send him along with a few others to study in Russia and on his return he got closer to Jagan . A few guys quit and return home , but did the work on the floor .

i am still a ppp supporter , it’s in my blood but I would not agree with their ideology .

Again I speak from personal experience , went to Ramotar for a licence fire arm and was given the run around . The same very Ramotar who would visit our home . 

Pay bribe and donate TV to Gagraj at the home affairs office . My dad ( chairman of ppp group for years )make reference at the local ppp group meeting regarding the bribery  , the word got to Jagdeo ears and Gagraj make reference to my in laws when they went to apply , in fact my in laws  were seeking to have my gun transfer to them after I migrate and they have huge store in GT .

Dave, I take a different approach to things, I am involved in some charitable and development work here but I have never gone to any of the ministers or government officials, the ppp or the coalition  to ask for tax concessions or any help To carry out our objectives. We factor in all the costs and it is less headache and no ass kissing.

Hats of to you Zed, keep up the good work my man .

God bless .

caribny posted:

Gilbakka posted:

 

As we're at it, Carib, it seems to me that the PNC-dominated APNU has use only for those Indians who are willing and able to vilify Jagdeo and the PPP. When that use value has dissipated, those Indians are reviled for being clannish. 

 

The PPP only has use for black tokens and goons like the House of Israel crew who they coopted.  Some of the same ones who bashed in their  PPP  heads, and killed WPA supporters during the Burnham era, yet they gladly coopted those savages now.

I will suggest to you that the PPP has no more use for independent blacks than does the PNC have for independent Indians, so I don't know why you raise that nonsense when my focus is to change the co0nstitution so that the devastating instincts of BOTH Granger and Jagdeo (both Burnham admirers) can be contained.

Moses campaigned on the basis of telling Indians that if the PNC didn't behave that he would use his seats in parliament to take them out of office.

I spoke lengthily about that tactic and how it would backfire because it alarmed black/mixed voters.

Did you see what they saw. An Indian threatening to hold them to ransom and bring back an Indian dictatorship that placed blacks in a horrendous condition if he didn't get his wishes. DAILY I warn people that Guyana has TWO narratives of ethnic insecurity and victimhood. DAILY you and the rest of your crowd give validity ONLY to the Indian side, then you want to know why blacks don't trust you all.

 

But run off back to your PPP plantation.  I also predicted that this would happen.  An Indian is an Indian who can only see himself as an Indian.  Being Guyanese isn't within their cultural reference.

Better to be in the PPP plantation than in the PNC plantation. The guys are right, Carib. You are a bloody racist. I am a Guyanese and being Indo doesn't contradict this fact. 

Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

 

Please  tell me if any one of the major political parties can unilaterally change the major parts of the . constitution. 

Regarding the recent action of Granger to unilaterally select the chairman of GECom, What is the process stated in the constitution? What has that process worked since that process was put into the constitution until now when Granger made his own legal definition?

Funny thing. Jagdeo cannot do a thing to change Granger's mind as he did NOT incorporate the Carter formula into the constitution when he had the ability to do so.  Yet here he is wailing, so he could have certainly attempted to embed the Carter formula into the constitution to remove the ability of a president to act unilaterally.

At the time when the PNC had lost confidence of its ability to ever win another election they would in fact cooperated with him if he had wanted to do this.

Jagdeo did NOT even try to make a marginal amendment to the constitution because he did NOT want to lose the right to act unilaterally if the PNC sent nominees who he didn't like.

You did not answer the question and went on to blame Jagdeo for not changing the constitution. Did not  Jagdeo make some changes to the constitution?

the other stuff about the PNc cooperating with him in changing the constitution is pure conjecture on your part. I would argue otherwise and we will have no way of knowing. Poor argument.

caribny posted:

 

But run off back to your PPP plantation.  I also predicted that this would happen.  An Indian is an Indian who can only see himself as an Indian.  Being Guyanese isn't within their cultural reference.

Carib bai, as much as it seem like Indians would say that black man is lazy, etc (you know all the things you always list), when Indians support PPP, right or wrong, they will give reasons that the PPP are smart, decent, trustworthy, not crooked, etc. What reasons do blacks give for supporting the PNC?

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

 

Please post your source .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean...guyaneseinbdos.shtml

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...nce-%E2%80%93-faria/

https://guyanachronicle.com/20...construction-workers

If you read through you will see that in some instances these workers have had their passports seized by their employers.  In fact there was at least one instance when an employer killed a Guyanese employee who demanded to get pay that was due to him.

Is it the forest or the trees? You said some instances. Many eimmigrants regardless of whether they are Guyanese, Latinos, Chinese, Easten European, etc face these conditions in the countries to which rpthey emigrated. Illegals faced word at times. This is not specific to Guyanese..Regardless of the conditions they faced when they emigrated, Guyanese eventually made their lives better. Look how well many of us did in spite of taking low paying jobs when we first emigrated and were trying to position ourselves to have a better life. 

Django posted:

Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

The difference Django is that neither him nor Ramotar moved to appoint a GECOM chairman not nominated by the Opposition. For 23 years the PPP failed to take the high handed approach Granger took on after being President for 2+ years. Guyanese have a binary choice and from all angles, the PNC are the worse option.

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

 

as far as I understand from what Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell.  

 

class

Jagdeo was president for 10 years and controlled a stooge for an additional 4. At no point during that period did Jagdeo give any indication that he planned to treat black Guyanese as equals and to be fully inclusive. 

He sued Freddie K because Freddie K told the truth and that he was an institutional racist.  Jagdeo was forced to drop the case because he couldn't refute the evidence furnished by Nigel Hughes that in fact he was.

In the LGE Jagdeo by his own admission admitted that he didn't even attempt to broaden the PPPs base but in fact contested ONLY to Indians.

Jagdeo sniffs discontent among the PNC base and seeks to exploit this by making visits into these strongholds.  What ideas is Jagdeo bringing?  All he is doing is going for photo opps.  NOT assuring the people that a new PPP will be more inclusive than it was between 1992 and 2015.

And please don't wail that the PPP wasn't racist as this is disrespectful to the vast majority of black and mixed Guyanese who insist that they were.. 

As I indicated, this is your narrative through your ethnic lens.

i cannot remember a Jagdeo saying that during the LGE, he had contested only ton East Indians. Please post your source. I thought that the PPP campaigned in all regions, including region 4, 1, 9. 

Obviously, you are not reading  the local newspapers or only using things that fit into your narrative because they report him meeting with members of the various communities that he visited and discussing issues and solutions. Additionally, you should commend him for being politically astute  for capitalizing on the weaknesses of his political opponents.

the same argument regarding racist political parties should be applied to the PNC because many East Indians and maybe the majority I'll argue, believe that the PNC, Granger are racists and that the AFC are quislings, and it would be disrespectful of them to argue otherwise.

Django posted:

Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

How long was Hoyte president? Do not make me laugh! I guess for you, any port in a storm. Tell me why they have broken their promise. A bill is just window dressing. The point you are missing is that parts of the constitution are really difficult to change unless we have a different political culture in Guyana, which now seems almost impossible. 

I am not defending Jagdeo. But, I hate it when untruths are posted as facts. 

For starters, the most egregious parts of Guyana's constitution requires a two-third majority vote. Burnham in his wickedness made it practically impossible for anyone to remove his sin. Unless there is significant cooperation between the PPP and PNC, no major changes would be made to the constitution. The current government promised that fixing the constitution will be one of their first act of government. So far they haven't demonstrated that they meant it.

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Jagdeo intends to kick ur azz. 

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

How long was Hoyte president? Do not make me laugh! I guess for you, any port in a storm. Tell me why they have broken their promise. A bill is just window dressing. The point you are missing is that parts of the constitution are really difficult to change unless we have a different political culture in Guyana, which now seems almost impossible. 

I am not defending Jagdeo. But, I hate it when untruths are posted as facts. 

Every one knows Hoyte tenure as President,as a reminder it was 1985 to 1992,seven years,the PPP ruled from 1992 to 2015,twenty three yrs,the PPP are aware the Constitution gives to much power to the President,an attempt should have been made to change the Constitution,reducing that powers,which needed two thirds MP's votes,if the PNC abstained from voting,we would all agree they do not want changes.

Electoral laws amendments need majority vote,again the PPP made no attempt to make real changes.

The PPP had the time and power to change the Constitution,they could have held a referendum and let the Nation decides,no...they worships the illegal Burnham Constitution that was foisted on a nation.

The PNC have a tendency to rule with authoritarianism,the Constitution which was crafted by them give that power,the PPP know this,sit silently and hoping for compromise when matters of importance arises.

Granger used the powers given by the Constitution,now every one crying foul,there should be compromises,we were doing so and you should.

 Blamed the PPP and baby kong,the eogist for the predicament the nation have to endure.

ksazma posted:

For starters, the most egregious parts of Guyana's constitution requires a two-third majority vote. Burnham in his wickedness made it practically impossible for anyone to remove his sin. Unless there is significant cooperation between the PPP and PNC, no major changes would be made to the constitution. The current government promised that fixing the constitution will be one of their first act of government. So far they haven't demonstrated that they meant it.

You guys need to blame the party that had control,to tossed out the Constitution,

read my reply to Zed.

Django posted:

ksazma posted:

For starters, the most egregious parts of Guyana's constitution requires a two-third majority vote. Burnham in his wickedness made it practically impossible for anyone to remove his sin. Unless there is significant cooperation between the PPP and PNC, no major changes would be made to the constitution. The current government promised that fixing the constitution will be one of their first act of government. So far they haven't demonstrated that they meant it.

You guys need to blame the party that had control,to tossed out the Constitution,

read my reply to Zed.

Django bai, that is the current Coalition government. They promised Guyanese that they will make it one of their first act of government. Instead, they spent the first year in government preparing for the jubilee celebration. Burnham created an insurmountable task with his wicked referendum which requires significant input from the opposition. For some strange reason, the Coalition thought that they can do it on their own so they promised to make it one of their first act of government. Now they need to put up.

But time is on their side. By the time the 2020 votes are 'certified', the PNC (not Coalition) will have secured almost all the votes casted. That will make it very easy for them to reform the constitution.

So we only have to put up with Burnham's wicked constitution for three more years. Granger is too decent to not take Guyanese to the promise land come 2020. 

caribny posted:

Gilbakka posted:

 

Every single Guyanese has his own idea of what is good for Guyana and what political vehicle can bring about that good. 

Sorry you're pissed that I want to return to the PPP but I'm not here to please you.

Oh so now you admit that you have returned to that corrupt and racist outfit called the PPP.  Honesty is always good.  I am however not surprised at this turn of events.  I always viewed AFC Indians as PPP supporters in disguise.

You racist rectum not rest in peace until every Indian is out of Guyana. You would love to see them put on moco moco rafts and thrown in the Atlantic Ocean. You would rub your skin with dye, knack jhanj, wear dhoti and kurta, and serve mithai on the streets of Bronx.

Django posted:

ksazma posted:

For starters, the most egregious parts of Guyana's constitution requires a two-third majority vote. Burnham in his wickedness made it practically impossible for anyone to remove his sin. Unless there is significant cooperation between the PPP and PNC, no major changes would be made to the constitution. The current government promised that fixing the constitution will be one of their first act of government. So far they haven't demonstrated that they meant it.

You guys need to blame the party that had control,to tossed out the Constitution,

read my reply to Zed.

Hey Djangy, I think your lil infant teacher Gilly missed this one.

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

yuji22 posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

Wrong !!!...East Indians were fighting back before he was not conceived to come in this world.

Hooking up with drug lords to quell disturbances are for the weaklings.

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

Wrong !!!...East Indians were fighting back before he was not conceived to come in this world.

Hooking up with drug lords to quell disturbances are for the weaklings.

Look this chap shows up with his nonsense again.

Jagdeo is the first PPP leader to teach Indos how to fight back. And boy, did they ever fight back.

They gave your PNC boys and thugs a big belly wuk in which you sir are carrying the effects till today.

Wait and see the results if the PNC rigs.

yuji22 posted:

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

Wrong !!!...East Indians were fighting back before he was not conceived to come in this world.

Hooking up with drug lords to quell disturbances are for the weaklings.

Look this chap shows up with his nonsense again.

Jagdeo is the first PPP leader to teach Indos how to fight back. And boy, did they ever fight back.

They gave your PNC boys and thugs a big belly wuk in which you sir are carrying the effects till today.

Wait and see the results if the PNC rigs.

Dude,you are spewing nonsense.,don't try to rewrite history.

Jagdeo is a coward and a con,one of the reasons he welcomed the discarded PNC thugs in Freedom House.

What you are wishing for would be detrimental,let us hope better sense prevail.

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

Django posted:

yuji22 posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Carib bai, you do realize that Bibi didn't scream that Jagdeo is irrelevant? You do have some very wild imaginations. 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

Wrong !!!...East Indians were fighting back before he was not conceived to come in this world.

Hooking up with drug lords to quell disturbances are for the weaklings.

Look this chap shows up with his nonsense again.

Jagdeo is the first PPP leader to teach Indos how to fight back. And boy, did they ever fight back.

They gave your PNC boys and thugs a big belly wuk in which you sir are carrying the effects till today.

Wait and see the results if the PNC rigs.

Dude,you are spewing nonsense.,don't try to rewrite history.

Jagdeo is a coward and a con,one of the reasons he welcomed the discarded PNC thugs in Freedom House.

What you are wishing for would be detrimental,let us hope better sense prevail.

Listen,

PPP had to put the PNC thugs in a Pen and they put them in a pen. Smart political move. Only you do not have the foresight to see that. That was an excellent strategy.

Jagdeo is the FIRST PPP leader who was man enough to give the PNC thugs belly wuk and I congratulate him for that. They are still reeling from the dose that Jagdeo dished out. They will never be able to recover from that medicine and as a result they are scared shyte to try their violence against Indos like they did in the past.

Jagdeo levelled the playing field and taught Indos not to take eye pass.

Only PNC apologists like you and Carib are bitter that Indos are no longer passive and will not take shyte from PNC thugs.

Man, when are you going to grow some ball* and stop kissing the PNC toes. Have you no self confidence ? Stand up for yourself and be a proud Indo for once.

You are displaying all of the traits of a few Indos who lost their self confidence after Burnham grind them down and they became passive and lacked self confidence.

Stand up and be like a strong Indo who will no longer take shyte from the PNC. Stop behaving like Carib's and Granger's sidekick.

yuji22 posted:

PPP had to put the PNC thugs in a Pen and they put them in a pen. Smart political move. Only you do not have the foresight to see that. That was an excellent strategy.

Jagdeo is the FIRST PPP leader who was man enough to give the PNC thugs belly wuk and I congratulate him for that. They are still reeling from the dose that Jagdeo dished out. They will never be able to recover from that medicine and as a result they are scared shyte to try their violence against Indos like they did in the past.

Jagdeo levelled the playing field and taught Indos not to take eye pass.

Only PNC apologists like you and Carib are bitter that Indos are no longer passive and will not take shyte from PNC thugs.

Man, when are you going to grow some ball* and stop kissing the PNC toes. Have you no self confidence ? Stand up for yourself and be a proud Indo for once.

You are displaying all of the traits of a few Indos who lost their self confidence after Burnham grind them down and they became passive and lacked self confidence.

Stand up and be like a strong Indo who will no longer take shyte from the PNC. Stop behaving like Carib's and Granger's sidekick.

You are

Burnham and the PNC grind you down till you cannot even afford a response that is even worth considering.

You are the one who allegedly made all sorts of outrageous comments at Anil's facebook. 

How about doing that at some PNC thugs facebook ? You are scared shyte that the will put you in your place.

You sir need to smarten up.

yuji22 posted:

Burnham and the PNC grind you down till you cannot even afford a response that is even worth considering.

You are the one who allegedly made all sorts of outrageous comments at Anil's facebook. 

How about doing that at some PNC thugs facebook ? You are scared shyte that the will put you in your place.

You sir need to smarten up.

Give the man a break, he doesn't know better. He just following instructions, just like the others ,now extinct AFC supporters.

I have given him enough today. I will save some for tomorrow. I am angry that these dirty Indos.

yuji22 posted:

Burnham and the PNC grind you down till you cannot even afford a response that is even worth considering.

You are the one who allegedly made all sorts of outrageous comments at Anil's facebook. 

How about doing that at some PNC thugs facebook ? You are scared shyte that the will put you in your place.

You sir need to smarten up.

You  have the habit of copying what people says,try to be yourself rather than having to be braced up by other folks fork stick,

Let Django explain this to you,he never had a Government job,no need to be politically affiliated and suck up to no one,he chooses to work in the private sector for a while and eventually became his own boss.

Samjhe.

yuji22 posted:

I have given him enough today. I will save some for tomorrow. I am angry that these dirty Indos.

Don't self pat your shoulder,you have not given nothing,it's just empty.

kp posted:

yuji22 posted:

Burnham and the PNC grind you down till you cannot even afford a response that is even worth considering.

You are the one who allegedly made all sorts of outrageous comments at Anil's facebook. 

How about doing that at some PNC thugs facebook ? You are scared shyte that the will put you in your place.

You sir need to smarten up.

Give the man a break, he doesn't know better. He just following instructions, just like the others ,now extinct AFC supporters.

kp,i can envision you are a man of substance,don't be disappointing by following an empty barrel.

Django posted:

Zed posted:

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Zed posted:

Django posted:

Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

How long was Hoyte president? Do not make me laugh! I guess for you, any port in a storm. Tell me why they have broken their promise. A bill is just window dressing. The point you are missing is that parts of the constitution are really difficult to change unless we have a different political culture in Guyana, which now seems almost impossible. 

I am not defending Jagdeo. But, I hate it when untruths are posted as facts. 

Every one knows Hoyte tenure as President,as a reminder it was 1985 to 1992,seven years,the PPP ruled from 1992 to 2015,twenty three yrs,the PPP are aware the Constitution gives to much power to the President,an attempt should have been made to change the Constitution,reducing that powers,which needed two thirds MP's votes,if the PNC abstained from voting,we would all agree they do not want changes.

Electoral laws amendments need majority vote,again the PPP made no attempt to make real changes.

The PPP had the time and power to change the Constitution,they could have held a referendum and let the Nation decides,no...they worships the illegal Burnham Constitution that was foisted on a nation.

The PNC have a tendency to rule with authoritarianism,the Constitution which was crafted by them give that power,the PPP know this,sit silently and hoping for compromise when matters of importance arises.

Granger used the powers given by the Constitution,now every one crying foul,there should be compromises,we were doing so and you should.

 Blamed the PPP and baby kong,the eogist for the predicament the nation have to endure.

So you expect us to believe that hoyte in his seven years did not have time to even make one small change in the constitution, much less the major ones. Tell me if the major aspects of the constitution can be changed without both major parties agreeing

the constitution defines a process to be followed within the governing spirit and ideals This was reaffirmed by the Chief Justice . Why was this not followed. Why was it that this process worked since 1992, but now is suddenly thrown aside. Why has so many , not just PPP members, criticized the unilateral selection of the Chairman by Granger while you continue to defend it?

At least, the PPP changed some aspects of the constitution  something that your hero hoyte did not find the time to do. 

and, no. Blame the PNC dictator Burnham for the situation we currently experience. You seem to have a short memory if you cannot remember this basic fact.

Zed posted:

So you expect us to believe that hoyte in his seven years did not have time to even make one small change in the constitution, much less the major ones. Tell me if the major aspects of the constitution can be changed without both major parties agreeing

The constitution could have been adjusted shortly before Hoyte succeeded Forbes Burnham.

There were to be concluded an agreement between Jagan and Burnham for the merger of the PPP and PNC short before Burnham passed away.

Burnham was to be president and Jagan to be Prime Minister.

However, after Hoyte became president, he completely ignored to continue with the agreement and pursued his path to govern Guyana.

Zed,

I have mentioned the process for major and minor amendments,guess you missed it,the blame game of who is correct, who is wrong and who caused what,does not solve  issues facing the nation,change the law to reflect real Democracy,dump the Illegal Burnham Constitution,draft a new one.

Demerara_Guy posted:

Zed posted:

So you expect us to believe that hoyte in his seven years did not have time to even make one small change in the constitution, much less the major ones. Tell me if the major aspects of the constitution can be changed without both major parties agreeing

The constitution could have been adjusted shortly before Hoyte succeeded Forbes Burnham.

There were to be concluded an agreement between Jagan and Burnham for the merger of the PPP and PNC short before Burnham passed away.

Burnham was to be president and Jagan to be Prime Minister.

However, after Hoyte became president, he completely ignored to continue with the agreement and pursued his path to govern Guyana.

Blessing in disguise,Guyana would have become a one Party State.

Gilbakka posted:

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Better to be in the PPP plantation than in the PNC plantation. The guys are right, Carib. You are a bloody racist. I am a Guyanese and being Indo doesn't contradict this fact. 

Interesting. Jagdeo is using YOU to maintain the Burnham constitution and I am the racist.

Continue to be used. Naïve as you are you have failed to note that NOWHERE in Jagdeo's rants is he talking about holding Granger to account for his promise to change the constitution.

I see that the PPP plantation and Burnham's constitution sweets you.  

Listen don't cuss out Burnham again because you love the most heinous act that he inflicted on Guyana and that is a document which codified his desire to be held above the law.

yuji22 posted:

 

Carib hates Jagdeo because he is the first Indo leader to stand up to PNC thugs and taught Indos to fight back.

The fact that Indos are no longer passive hurts Carib.

Let us discuss how Indians "fought" back.  The rich Indians paid black criminals to defend their interests. 

This while ordinary Indians were attacked by black and Indian criminals. Because at NO point within the last 25 years have I heard Indians claim that crime wasn't a serious problem in Guyana.

So how did the ordinary Indian "fight back"?

yuji22 posted:

 

Jagdeo is the first PPP leader to teach Indos how to fight back. And boy, did they ever fight back.

 

Can you describe how Indians "fought back". Using off duty black soldiers and policemen and black mercenaries for hire isn't "fighting back".

Is your idea of Indians "fighting back" when an Indian criminal hired black mercenaries to kill an Indian PPP minister because he was angry that the minister didn't allow him to "legally" export drugs disguised as timber exports?

Why were Berbicians screaming about crime as recently as 2014?  The only violence from Indians that I see is the increasing tendency for Indian criminals to target other Indians.

It is interesting that every time we see Indian criminals their victims are almost always Indians.

Yes Indians did learn to fight under Jagdeo.  Too bad their victims were almost always other Indians too poor to hire black mercenaries to protect them.