AFC `hijacked’ by pro-PNC faction- Henry Jeffrey

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. 

What facts.  That Jagdeo is prancing around screaming lies to rally the (Indian) troops?

The constitution is illegal in the first place and I am sure that you know full well the fraud that was involved in putting it in place.  If you want an example of blatant PNC rigging try the referendum.  Even worse than in 1973 and 1968.

So why isn't the emphasis on replacing that instead of falling for Jagdeo's scam?  You are truly naïve if you think that Jagdeo isn't fully aware that the Carter formula is NOT part of the constitution. He had 10 years to do this and did NOT do so.   Clearly then his current screams are an attempt to fool naïve people like YOU.

APNU/AFC promised to work on the constitution within MONTHS.  The PPP promised the same in 1992.  Now I would think that those who care about democracy would focus their energies on that instead of Jagdeo destruction.

If you want to return to the PPP because life is lonely go and do so but don't pretend as if you do so for the good of Guyana.

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. 

What facts.  That Jagdeo is prancing around screaming lies to rally the (Indian) troops?

The constitution is illegal in the first place and I am sure that you know full well the fraud that was involved in putting it in place.  If you want an example of blatant PNC rigging try the referendum.  Even worse than in 1973 and 1968.

So why isn't the emphasis on replacing that instead of falling for Jagdeo's scam?  You are truly naïve if you think that Jagdeo isn't fully aware that the Carter formula is NOT part of the constitution. He had 10 years to do this and did NOT do so.   Clearly then his current screams are an attempt to fool naïve people like YOU.

APNU/AFC promised to work on the constitution within MONTHS.  The PPP promised the same in 1992.  Now I would think that those who care about democracy would focus their energies on that instead of Jagdeo destruction.

If you want to return to the PPP because life is lonely go and do so but don't pretend as if you do so for the good of Guyana.

Long-winded and short-tempered reply.

Every single Guyanese has his own idea of what is good for Guyana and what political vehicle can bring about that good. 

Sorry you're pissed that I want to return to the PPP but I'm not here to please you.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Gilbakka posted:
 

Every single Guyanese has his own idea of what is good for Guyana and what political vehicle can bring about that good. 

Sorry you're pissed that I want to return to the PPP but I'm not here to please you.

Oh so now you admit that you have returned to that corrupt and racist outfit called the PPP.  Honesty is always good.  I am however not surprised at this turn of events.  I always viewed AFC Indians as PPP supporters in disguise.

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Every single Guyanese has his own idea of what is good for Guyana and what political vehicle can bring about that good. 

Sorry you're pissed that I want to return to the PPP but I'm not here to please you.

Oh so now you admit that you have returned to that corrupt and racist outfit called the PPP.  Honesty is always good.  I am however not surprised at this turn of events.  I always viewed AFC Indians as PPP supporters in disguise.

As political parties in Guyana go these days, ALL are corrupt and racist. PPP, PNC, and even the AFC which comprises ex-PNC and ex-PPP components. As reported in the news recently, the PNC faction has hijacked the AFC. 

As we're at it, Carib, it seems to me that the PNC-dominated APNU has use only for those Indians who are willing and able to vilify Jagdeo and the PPP. When that use value has dissipated, those Indians are reviled for being clannish. 

 

I didn't have a chance to comment on this thread, but I need to opine on on the PNC/AFC relationship. There is no more AFC as we know it. But neither APNU or the AFC can stand solo against PPP in the next election. So, they will hold on to each other to win over the PPP. This may not be the wishes of Granger, but it's a strategic plan to win again. If APNU wins, we will see a new ballgame. Granger would have everything at his disposal to replace the PNC without the AFC and all smaller parties. That said, every member of AFC would be forced to join the PNC.                     

I don't believe AFC politicians wants to be out of jobs. If you listen carefully what Ramjattan and Nagamootoo are saying since they joined APNU, you would know they are speaking for their salary and comfort in the company of Granger over the needs of Guyanese. So, don't second guess if they're called upon. Let me add if the court ruled in favor of Patterson's unilateral appointment, that will give PNC the advantage of winning. Everything you see unfolding are all plans for PNC to stay in power.   

Dave posted:
Zed posted:

Dave, from whom is the black (Afro-Guyanese) protecting the Indian? Have you had Them protect you and under what circumstances?

Are you suggesting to us that you have first hand experience with the payoff kind of activity or is your statement based on anecdotal evidence?

Zed , everything I wrote is from personal experience . Had businesses in Guyana and still do . Most Indian business man hire the black as security guard.

We use a black person to deposit our money into the bank - never had a problem . 

Payoff is from personal experience .

i also had terrible experience at the hands of black , scar that is on my body and will be there for life . I also had bad experience at the hands of our kind ... but they are more gentle in robbing you .

i am sure everyone on this forum would have a experience to tell .

Dave, thanks for sharing the info. I really appreciate it.

caribny posted:
seignet posted:
it off that way. They are back at it again. I expected better from them. There are no excuses for Indians, dem sort of individualistic while black folks are more corporate. But Granger is/was a racist and his whole government is racist.

Black people cannot even agree about who is or isn't black and here you babble about us being not individualistic?  The most individualistic people on this planet are blacks.  When a black succeeds its not because anyone helps him. We succeed or fail on our own.

 

Indians will be Indians and can only be Indians and will see life through Indian eyes.  A look at GNI is evidence of that.

 

I agree that black people cannot agree who is and is not black. I vaguely remember when I came on this site and said that I was black, you wanted to know why I was lying about this.

The same applies to Afro Guyanese. They will see life and issues through Afro-Guyanese eyes. This is not novel. It is a result of people's cognitive structure.

caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
 

The Civic section of the PPP has members-at-large plus MPs in the past and current governments.

The Civic was Cheddi's Bantustan to ensure that black "allies" would never have any real input into the PPP. Luncheon is the only influential black within the PPP.

Is that similar to PNC reform, the APNU and the AFC-APNU coalition? 

It is your narrative that Afro Guyanese in the PPP are puppets but what of the Indo Guyanese in the PNC or in rhe present coalition. Do they really have real power? This is all debatable  Just the narrative you want to propagate. 

caribny posted:
Dave posted:
 

Absolutely , Only Indian businessmen will be rich , the majority of Indians will continue to suffer and they will blame PNC and not seeing is Jagdeo suppressing their livelihood .

Yes many running off to the islands after 2000, quite a few becoming semi slaves, and yet they will still rush and kiss Jagdeo's toes and cheer when he babbles about the "coolie people party".

At least blacks have the sense to loudly complain about the fact that Granger is ignoring them.  No kissing of Granger's rear from them.

What us so wrong with people moving to other places to make a living or to have a better life. Is that why many iof us and you moved from Guyana. You do know that there are push and pull factors and that it is poor scholarship to attitribite human action or complex social dynamics to one reason or dimension.

Gilbakka posted:
 

As we're at it, Carib, it seems to me that the PNC-dominated APNU has use only for those Indians who are willing and able to vilify Jagdeo and the PPP. When that use value has dissipated, those Indians are reviled for being clannish. 

 

The PPP only has use for black tokens and goons like the House of Israel crew who they coopted.  Some of the same ones who bashed in their  PPP  heads, and killed WPA supporters during the Burnham era, yet they gladly coopted those savages now.

I will suggest to you that the PPP has no more use for independent blacks than does the PNC have for independent Indians, so I don't know why you raise that nonsense when my focus is to change the co0nstitution so that the devastating instincts of BOTH Granger and Jagdeo (both Burnham admirers) can be contained.

Moses campaigned on the basis of telling Indians that if the PNC didn't behave that he would use his seats in parliament to take them out of office.

I spoke lengthily about that tactic and how it would backfire because it alarmed black/mixed voters.

Did you see what they saw. An Indian threatening to hold them to ransom and bring back an Indian dictatorship that placed blacks in a horrendous condition if he didn't get his wishes. DAILY I warn people that Guyana has TWO narratives of ethnic insecurity and victimhood. DAILY you and the rest of your crowd give validity ONLY to the Indian side, then you want to know why blacks don't trust you all.

 

But run off back to your PPP plantation.  I also predicted that this would happen.  An Indian is an Indian who can only see himself as an Indian.  Being Guyanese isn't within their cultural reference.

Zed posted:
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What us so wrong with people moving to other places to make a living or to have a better life.

Except that the "better" life eluded many of the PPP supporters who fled to Barbados and Trinidad where the locals saw them as impoverished people who deserved to be exploited.

Really, no kissing of Granger's rear? The only Afro Guyanese complaining publicly are the few WPA  types and some intellectuals. Look at those who have been on the street demonstrate their support for Granger and exposing their private parts. Where is your objective evidence that some part of his base support has turned against him? Where is the mass demonstration against the 50 percent raise, the imposed salary increases for public servants, the eviction of the squatters from the banks of the canal and from Sophia., the slow down in the economy, no jobs for youths, the broken promise of inquiry of the many murdered Afro Guyanese, etc?

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Zed posted:

Really, no kissing of Granger's rear? The only Afro Guyanese complaining publicly are the few WPA  types and some intellectuals.

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So where are these huge crowds of blacks cheering on Granger?  I don't see them.

Of course some racist takes a video of a few stupid boys and suddenly this becomes black people.  And you with your biased opinion of blacks quickly salivates and swallows this.

The dominant view of the PNC support base is that they voted for change, not exchange.  That they remain unimpressed with what they see.  They want to know why all these old people appointed. The vendors were very angry when they were displaced.  Linden frequently expresses their skepticism of Granger, to the point where he hardly even goes there even though that should be the most densely PNC area in Guyana.

And in fact this has been expressed by the PPP crowd as they seek to find evidence that Granger has lost the support of his base.  This is why Jagdeo thinks that he can go to Linden.  When Jagdeo went to Linden where were the defiant crowds chasing him out?  He went there and they went about their usual business.

 

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. 

What facts.  That Jagdeo is prancing around screaming lies to rally the (Indian) troops?

The constitution is illegal in the first place and I am sure that you know full well the fraud that was involved in putting it in place.  If you want an example of blatant PNC rigging try the referendum.  Even worse than in 1973 and 1968.

So why isn't the emphasis on replacing that instead of falling for Jagdeo's scam?  You are truly naïve if you think that Jagdeo isn't fully aware that the Carter formula is NOT part of the constitution. He had 10 years to do this and did NOT do so.   Clearly then his current screams are an attempt to fool naïve people like YOU.

APNU/AFC promised to work on the constitution within MONTHS.  The PPP promised the same in 1992.  Now I would think that those who care about democracy would focus their energies on that instead of Jagdeo destruction.

If you want to return to the PPP because life is lonely go and do so but don't pretend as if you do so for the good of Guyana.

 

Please  tell me if any one of the major political parties can unilaterally change the major parts of the . constitution. 

Regarding the recent action of Granger to unilaterally select the chairman of GECom, What is the process stated in the constitution? What has that process worked since that process was put into the constitution until now when Granger made his own legal definition?

I also suggest that you look at the last LGE. Make note of the numbers of INDEPENDENT groups which emerged in PNC strongholds.  In fact Kwakwani is now run by these groups, NOT APNU!

Didn't notice any independent groups in PPP strongholds.

Zed posted:
 

Please  tell me if any one of the major political parties can unilaterally change the major parts of the . constitution. 

Regarding the recent action of Granger to unilaterally select the chairman of GECom, What is the process stated in the constitution? What has that process worked since that process was put into the constitution until now when Granger made his own legal definition?

Funny thing. Jagdeo cannot do a thing to change Granger's mind as he did NOT incorporate the Carter formula into the constitution when he had the ability to do so.  Yet here he is wailing, so he could have certainly attempted to embed the Carter formula into the constitution to remove the ability of a president to act unilaterally.

At the time when the PNC had lost confidence of its ability to ever win another election they would in fact cooperated with him if he had wanted to do this.

Jagdeo did NOT even try to make a marginal amendment to the constitution because he did NOT want to lose the right to act unilaterally if the PNC sent nominees who he didn't like.

caribny posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
 

One of the most bare-faced talk to ever come from a GNIier. It's a slap on the face on those who cherish a free and democratic society. 

So go and celebrate Burnham's constitution then.  Don't wail about how he got it through blatant rigging, boasting of massive voter turnout in G/T and winning in Region 6.

I can understand why you agree with Jagdeo that the constitution is wonderful.  Just the wrong person given unlimited power.

I do not think that anyone is saying that the present constitution is wonderful. It is what we currently have and dictates how things are done. Changing the constitution is not an easy task as the present and past governments have found out (the exception being the PNC dictatorship,which rigged elections and the referendum) It is what must be followed until a concesus  is arrived at in terms of what the aspirations of the people of Guyana are and how  those are codified in the constitution. The courts are final arbiter when it comes to the interpretation of the constitution, not a president who has no legal training.

The constitution is a static document that sets parameters as to what the various actors are allowed to do and obligated to do.  The Carter formula is NOT in the constitution.  The mere fact that it was used by prior regimes does NOT obligate Granger to follow suit.

All Granger has to adhere to is the constitution which allows him to act unilaterally if HE as the president doesn't think that the list includes people who he considers to be reasonable.

Given the obvious flaws in the constitution and the fact that Jagdeo has NO interest in changing it, makes it interesting how ethnic insecurities can allow him to have his way.

Jagdeo is saying NOTHING about the fact that APNU/AFC promised to prioritize a revision of the constitution and to date has clearly been dragging its feet.  Jagdeo says NOTHING on this because Jagdeo loves the degree to which this Burnham concocted rag centralizes power around the president and puts that person above the law.

But continue to be a Jagdeo tool.

Dave posted:

If you asked the older folks ( grass root   PPP) if they know Jagdeo , the answer is NO .

jagdeo never struggle with or for the ppp . The ppp send him along with a few others to study in Russia and on his return he got closer to Jagan . A few guys quit and return home , but did the work on the floor .

i am still a ppp supporter , it’s in my blood but I would not agree with their ideology .

Again I speak from personal experience , went to Ramotar for a licence fire arm and was given the run around . The same very Ramotar who would visit our home . 

Pay bribe and donate TV to Gagraj at the home affairs office . My dad ( chairman of ppp group for years )make reference at the local ppp group meeting regarding the bribery  , the word got to Jagdeo ears and Gagraj make reference to my in laws when they went to apply , in fact my in laws  were seeking to have my gun transfer to them after I migrate and they have huge store in GT .

Dave, I take a different approach to things, I am involved in some charitable and development work here but I have never gone to any of the ministers or government officials, the ppp or the coalition  to ask for tax concessions or any help To carry out our objectives. We factor in all the costs and it is less headache and no ass kissing.

Zed posted:
 

I do not think that anyone is saying that the present constitution is wonderful.

So given that this whole incident has shown how flawed the constitution is why is the screaming about the fact that Granger didn't follow precedent when the constitution doesn't insist that he is obligated to do so? Granger is NOT acting illegally.  The fact that the PPP is angry that he exercised his right under the constitution to act unilaterally should be enough to show why this document is flawed.

CHANGE the constitution!  That is what 100% of the focus ought to be.  2015 should be the last national election when thus constitution is in force.  Given that the next election is due within 3 years it should be a PRIORITY for those who want democracy to DEMAND that this be dealt with.

But as it is the PPP reneged on the 1992 promise and now APNU/AFC seem ready to do the same.  So we will have another election under this piece of Burnham dirty rags.

 

caribny posted:
Zed posted:
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What us so wrong with people moving to other places to make a living or to have a better life.

Except that the "better" life eluded many of the PPP supporters who fled to Barbados and Trinidad where the locals saw them as impoverished people who deserved to be exploited.

Please post your source . Or is this just your narrative? Please post how you know it was just PPP supporters who moved tom Barbados and Trinidad. You spew hatred here without being able to validate. Much of what you post regarding this topic has no objective fact, and instead are postulates on your part that fit into your narrative.

caribny posted:
Zed posted:

Really, no kissing of Granger's rear? The only Afro Guyanese complaining publicly are the few WPA  types and some intellectuals.

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So where are these huge crowds of blacks cheering on Granger?  I don't see them.

Of course some racist takes a video of a few stupid boys and suddenly this becomes black people.  And you with your biased opinion of blacks quickly salivates and swallows this.

The dominant view of the PNC support base is that they voted for change, not exchange.  That they remain unimpressed with what they see.  They want to know why all these old people appointed. The vendors were very angry when they were displaced.  Linden frequently expresses their skepticism of Granger, to the point where he hardly even goes there even though that should be the most densely PNC area in Guyana.

And in fact this has been expressed by the PPP crowd as they seek to find evidence that Granger has lost the support of his base.  This is why Jagdeo thinks that he can go to Linden.  When Jagdeo went to Linden where were the defiant crowds chasing him out?  He went there and they went about their usual business.

 

This is just conjecture on your part and have no objective basis. Yes, many are questioning what the coalition is doing, but I do not see the protesrpts by the working class, the students, the youths, the unemployed Afro Guyanese against the government. Granger is acting as if he knows that the Pnc supporters will not desert him regardless of how they feel about how the government is ruling. It is my opinion that Granger knows that no matter what he does, ahistorical support base, especially in Gt, Bartica and LInden will remain solid.

as far as I understand from what Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell.  

 

class

Zed posted:
 

Please post your source .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean...guyaneseinbdos.shtml

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...nce-%E2%80%93-faria/

https://guyanachronicle.com/20...construction-workers

If you read through you will see that in some instances these workers have had their passports seized by their employers.  In fact there was at least one instance when an employer killed a Guyanese employee who demanded to get pay that was due to him.

Zed posted:
 

as far as I understand from what Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell.  

 

class

Jagdeo was president for 10 years and controlled a stooge for an additional 4. At no point during that period did Jagdeo give any indication that he planned to treat black Guyanese as equals and to be fully inclusive. 

He sued Freddie K because Freddie K told the truth and that he was an institutional racist.  Jagdeo was forced to drop the case because he couldn't refute the evidence furnished by Nigel Hughes that in fact he was.

In the LGE Jagdeo by his own admission admitted that he didn't even attempt to broaden the PPPs base but in fact contested ONLY to Indians.

Jagdeo sniffs discontent among the PNC base and seeks to exploit this by making visits into these strongholds.  What ideas is Jagdeo bringing?  All he is doing is going for photo opps.  NOT assuring the people that a new PPP will be more inclusive than it was between 1992 and 2015.

And please don't wail that the PPP wasn't racist as this is disrespectful to the vast majority of black and mixed Guyanese who insist that they were.. 

Zed posted:
Dave posted:

If you asked the older folks ( grass root   PPP) if they know Jagdeo , the answer is NO .

jagdeo never struggle with or for the ppp . The ppp send him along with a few others to study in Russia and on his return he got closer to Jagan . A few guys quit and return home , but did the work on the floor .

i am still a ppp supporter , it’s in my blood but I would not agree with their ideology .

Again I speak from personal experience , went to Ramotar for a licence fire arm and was given the run around . The same very Ramotar who would visit our home . 

Pay bribe and donate TV to Gagraj at the home affairs office . My dad ( chairman of ppp group for years )make reference at the local ppp group meeting regarding the bribery  , the word got to Jagdeo ears and Gagraj make reference to my in laws when they went to apply , in fact my in laws  were seeking to have my gun transfer to them after I migrate and they have huge store in GT .

Dave, I take a different approach to things, I am involved in some charitable and development work here but I have never gone to any of the ministers or government officials, the ppp or the coalition  to ask for tax concessions or any help To carry out our objectives. We factor in all the costs and it is less headache and no ass kissing.

Hats of to you Zed, keep up the good work my man .

God bless .

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

As we're at it, Carib, it seems to me that the PNC-dominated APNU has use only for those Indians who are willing and able to vilify Jagdeo and the PPP. When that use value has dissipated, those Indians are reviled for being clannish. 

 

The PPP only has use for black tokens and goons like the House of Israel crew who they coopted.  Some of the same ones who bashed in their  PPP  heads, and killed WPA supporters during the Burnham era, yet they gladly coopted those savages now.

I will suggest to you that the PPP has no more use for independent blacks than does the PNC have for independent Indians, so I don't know why you raise that nonsense when my focus is to change the co0nstitution so that the devastating instincts of BOTH Granger and Jagdeo (both Burnham admirers) can be contained.

Moses campaigned on the basis of telling Indians that if the PNC didn't behave that he would use his seats in parliament to take them out of office.

I spoke lengthily about that tactic and how it would backfire because it alarmed black/mixed voters.

Did you see what they saw. An Indian threatening to hold them to ransom and bring back an Indian dictatorship that placed blacks in a horrendous condition if he didn't get his wishes. DAILY I warn people that Guyana has TWO narratives of ethnic insecurity and victimhood. DAILY you and the rest of your crowd give validity ONLY to the Indian side, then you want to know why blacks don't trust you all.

 

But run off back to your PPP plantation.  I also predicted that this would happen.  An Indian is an Indian who can only see himself as an Indian.  Being Guyanese isn't within their cultural reference.

Better to be in the PPP plantation than in the PNC plantation. The guys are right, Carib. You are a bloody racist. I am a Guyanese and being Indo doesn't contradict this fact. 

Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

caribny posted:
Zed posted:
 

Please  tell me if any one of the major political parties can unilaterally change the major parts of the . constitution. 

Regarding the recent action of Granger to unilaterally select the chairman of GECom, What is the process stated in the constitution? What has that process worked since that process was put into the constitution until now when Granger made his own legal definition?

Funny thing. Jagdeo cannot do a thing to change Granger's mind as he did NOT incorporate the Carter formula into the constitution when he had the ability to do so.  Yet here he is wailing, so he could have certainly attempted to embed the Carter formula into the constitution to remove the ability of a president to act unilaterally.

At the time when the PNC had lost confidence of its ability to ever win another election they would in fact cooperated with him if he had wanted to do this.

Jagdeo did NOT even try to make a marginal amendment to the constitution because he did NOT want to lose the right to act unilaterally if the PNC sent nominees who he didn't like.

You did not answer the question and went on to blame Jagdeo for not changing the constitution. Did not  Jagdeo make some changes to the constitution?

the other stuff about the PNc cooperating with him in changing the constitution is pure conjecture on your part. I would argue otherwise and we will have no way of knowing. Poor argument.

caribny posted:

 

But run off back to your PPP plantation.  I also predicted that this would happen.  An Indian is an Indian who can only see himself as an Indian.  Being Guyanese isn't within their cultural reference.

Carib bai, as much as it seem like Indians would say that black man is lazy, etc (you know all the things you always list), when Indians support PPP, right or wrong, they will give reasons that the PPP are smart, decent, trustworthy, not crooked, etc. What reasons do blacks give for supporting the PNC?

caribny posted:
Zed posted:
 

Please post your source .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean...guyaneseinbdos.shtml

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...nce-%E2%80%93-faria/

https://guyanachronicle.com/20...construction-workers

If you read through you will see that in some instances these workers have had their passports seized by their employers.  In fact there was at least one instance when an employer killed a Guyanese employee who demanded to get pay that was due to him.

Is it the forest or the trees? You said some instances. Many eimmigrants regardless of whether they are Guyanese, Latinos, Chinese, Easten European, etc face these conditions in the countries to which rpthey emigrated. Illegals faced word at times. This is not specific to Guyanese..Regardless of the conditions they faced when they emigrated, Guyanese eventually made their lives better. Look how well many of us did in spite of taking low paying jobs when we first emigrated and were trying to position ourselves to have a better life. 

Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

The difference Django is that neither him nor Ramotar moved to appoint a GECOM chairman not nominated by the Opposition. For 23 years the PPP failed to take the high handed approach Granger took on after being President for 2+ years. Guyanese have a binary choice and from all angles, the PNC are the worse option.

caribny posted:
Zed posted:
 

as far as I understand from what Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell.  

 

class

Jagdeo was president for 10 years and controlled a stooge for an additional 4. At no point during that period did Jagdeo give any indication that he planned to treat black Guyanese as equals and to be fully inclusive. 

He sued Freddie K because Freddie K told the truth and that he was an institutional racist.  Jagdeo was forced to drop the case because he couldn't refute the evidence furnished by Nigel Hughes that in fact he was.

In the LGE Jagdeo by his own admission admitted that he didn't even attempt to broaden the PPPs base but in fact contested ONLY to Indians.

Jagdeo sniffs discontent among the PNC base and seeks to exploit this by making visits into these strongholds.  What ideas is Jagdeo bringing?  All he is doing is going for photo opps.  NOT assuring the people that a new PPP will be more inclusive than it was between 1992 and 2015.

And please don't wail that the PPP wasn't racist as this is disrespectful to the vast majority of black and mixed Guyanese who insist that they were.. 

As I indicated, this is your narrative through your ethnic lens.

i cannot remember a Jagdeo saying that during the LGE, he had contested only ton East Indians. Please post your source. I thought that the PPP campaigned in all regions, including region 4, 1, 9. 

Obviously, you are not reading  the local newspapers or only using things that fit into your narrative because they report him meeting with members of the various communities that he visited and discussing issues and solutions. Additionally, you should commend him for being politically astute  for capitalizing on the weaknesses of his political opponents.

the same argument regarding racist political parties should be applied to the PNC because many East Indians and maybe the majority I'll argue, believe that the PNC, Granger are racists and that the AFC are quislings, and it would be disrespectful of them to argue otherwise.

Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

Zed posted:
Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

Django posted:
Zed posted:
Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

How long was Hoyte president? Do not make me laugh! I guess for you, any port in a storm. Tell me why they have broken their promise. A bill is just window dressing. The point you are missing is that parts of the constitution are really difficult to change unless we have a different political culture in Guyana, which now seems almost impossible. 

I am not defending Jagdeo. But, I hate it when untruths are posted as facts. 

For starters, the most egregious parts of Guyana's constitution requires a two-third majority vote. Burnham in his wickedness made it practically impossible for anyone to remove his sin. Unless there is significant cooperation between the PPP and PNC, no major changes would be made to the constitution. The current government promised that fixing the constitution will be one of their first act of government. So far they haven't demonstrated that they meant it.

caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

 

You still with this same old Jagdeo story.  Times have changed.  You need a new hero. 

Funny everyday I read Guyana news and that evil scowling Jagdeo is right there.

And you scream that he is irrelevant.  Why not tell HIM that he is irrelevant because clearly he doesn't seem to think so.

Jagdeo intends to kick ur azz. 

Zed posted:
Django posted:
Zed posted:
Django posted:
Zed posted:

 Jagdeo has said, he wants to build a broad based party and this might explain why he has been visiting many parts of the country, including Linden. Whether he will succeed or not, time will tell. 

Looks like baby kong wants to rule forever,no wonder there were no major interest to change the constitution.

At least Jagdeo made some changes to the constitution. After the PNC dictator BUrnham died, HOyte became president. Did he change the constitution? Explain why Granger and Moses have not acted on their promise that one of the first things that they will do is to change the constitution. Think before you post, please.

What real Electoral changes was made ?? Hoyte tenure was short and the focus was made to move  the country forward.By the way are there not a bill in Parliament to set up the Constitutional Commission.

You are exposing yourself as defender of the Egoist.

How long was Hoyte president? Do not make me laugh! I guess for you, any port in a storm. Tell me why they have broken their promise. A bill is just window dressing. The point you are missing is that parts of the constitution are really difficult to change unless we have a different political culture in Guyana, which now seems almost impossible. 

I am not defending Jagdeo. But, I hate it when untruths are posted as facts. 

Every one knows Hoyte tenure as President,as a reminder it was 1985 to 1992,seven years,the PPP ruled from 1992 to 2015,twenty three yrs,the PPP are aware the Constitution gives to much power to the President,an attempt should have been made to change the Constitution,reducing that powers,which needed two thirds MP's votes,if the PNC abstained from voting,we would all agree they do not want changes.

Electoral laws amendments need majority vote,again the PPP made no attempt to make real changes.

The PPP had the time and power to change the Constitution,they could have held a referendum and let the Nation decides,no...they worships the illegal Burnham Constitution that was foisted on a nation.

The PNC have a tendency to rule with authoritarianism,the Constitution which was crafted by them give that power,the PPP know this,sit silently and hoping for compromise when matters of importance arises.

Granger used the powers given by the Constitution,now every one crying foul,there should be compromises,we were doing so and you should.

 Blamed the PPP and baby kong,the eogist for the predicament the nation have to endure.

ksazma posted:

For starters, the most egregious parts of Guyana's constitution requires a two-third majority vote. Burnham in his wickedness made it practically impossible for anyone to remove his sin. Unless there is significant cooperation between the PPP and PNC, no major changes would be made to the constitution. The current government promised that fixing the constitution will be one of their first act of government. So far they haven't demonstrated that they meant it.

You guys need to blame the party that had control,to tossed out the Constitution,

read my reply to Zed.

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