AFC `hijacked’ by pro-PNC faction- Henry Jeffrey

yuji22 posted:
Dave posted:
yuji22 posted:

Dave,

Rebranding is EXTREMELY important. The FreeDumb house needs wake up and smell the coffee. Granger and the PNC are like a low hanging fruits.

Jagdeo needs to step aside and let the rebranding start by next summer at the latest. 

Guyana needs to end this tit for tat and unite the country for good.

Good call Dave.

The protester need to focus their attention at Freedom house and put the pressure their . 

Well, Not quite that way. Political maturity has to be displayed. The last thing is to see the PPP putting forward a divided house, the PNC and critics will pounce on that.

The executives at FreeDumb House needs to be put on notice that it is time to end this emotional attachment to a particular politician and that it is time for rebranding and a new leader.

Failing that, then the grassroots can take on FreeDumb House.

It has to be done intelligently. An overthrow at FreeDumb House might be required. The process has to start soon.

affirmative action guyana need this do not wait until its too late 

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Both Moses and Ramjattan should resign out of respect for Guyanese Indians. 

Priya Manichand had said, "we know, you all doan like us", meaning blacks doan like cooolie people. Today, I agree with her. A call to any government agency will soon quality her sattement. If is a black man at the other end of phone and a coolie on the end, the conversation becomes confrontational-as if the coolie has no business to do with Guyana. I witnessed this behaviour some years ago when some black government folks came to meet with the diaspora in Toronto.

Jagdeo and the PPP is a people who endured PNC wrong doings as children growing up in Guyana. I now, also understands their behaviour. 

Indians will have a very difficult time in Guyana. And those Indians who are free, they should pay heed to what is going on with their people. 

Zed posted:

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

 

I agree with you. Django is getting Machiavellian and crafty for an "independent" poster. I notice he has become a proficient peddler of red herring. Gilly is guilty of buying some from him but I will be alert next time and call him out.

Thanks for your criticism.

seignet posted:
Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Both Moses and Ramjattan should resign out of respect for Guyanese Indians. 

Priya Manichand had said, "we know, you all doan like us", meaning blacks doan like cooolie people. Today, I agree with her. A call to any government agency will soon quality her sattement. If is a black man at the other end of phone and a coolie on the end, the conversation becomes confrontational-as if the coolie has no business to do with Guyana. I witnessed this behaviour some years ago when some black government folks came to meet with the diaspora in Toronto.

Jagdeo and the PPP is a people who endured PNC wrong doings as children growing up in Guyana. I now, also understands their behaviour. 

Indians will have a very difficult time in Guyana. And those Indians who are free, they should pay heed to what is going on with their people. 

So it's all about the PPP and East Indians,and the rest who doesn't conform with the them,can go to hell.

No wonder that Country is Politically screwed.

seignet posted:
Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Both Moses and Ramjattan should resign out of respect for Guyanese Indians. 

Priya Manichand had said, "we know, you all doan like us", meaning blacks doan like cooolie people. Today, I agree with her. A call to any government agency will soon quality her sattement. If is a black man at the other end of phone and a coolie on the end, the conversation becomes confrontational-as if the coolie has no business to do with Guyana. I witnessed this behaviour some years ago when some black government folks came to meet with the diaspora in Toronto.

Jagdeo and the PPP is a people who endured PNC wrong doings as children growing up in Guyana. I now, also understands their behaviour. 

Indians will have a very difficult time in Guyana. And those Indians who are free, they should pay heed to what is going on with their people. 

Should Rumjat and Naga resign...which  the PNC is hoping for , granger has the authority to put anyone in position.

this part of the constitution was change by the ppp , and of course pnc couldn’t wait for such an opportunity .

the ppp again at their stupidness trying to be nice boy .

Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Zed , I am suprise Gill the most talented with ppp policy didn’t address this .

the people do not elect ppp leader .

firstly , there is party group meeting , these are the grass root . They would hear what the people say in regards to who they want has leader and relate to the regional group .

the regional group then present their case to the regional council group . At this group, they would elect the party leader or make any changes to ppp policy , however, not because a leader has majority votes mean the council body will elect him . They put who they want .

thats why naga and Ralf was pissed of and left the party . When ramotar was elected , he was not the person but ramkaran should be there . 

The party regional council is highjack by Jagdeo and ramotar 

a point to note ... Ramkaran don’t mix and interact with the grass root ... this was his biggest down fall .

During Dr Jagan time , he always say ppp is not a Indian party , but we have some mudhead who believe the majority in the country is Indians and they will be in government for life . 

They ignore their grass root and did more development in Afro neighbourhood and left the development of Indian village to raise funds for a better lively hood .

At this stage is when ppp boys become over nite contractors ... history speaks for it self now .

guyana don’t need division , it’s not one race in the bloody country . 

Prashad posted:

Like Ralph and his side kick Jeff Henry are angry. No jobs from Granjir.

To his credit, Ralph never endorsed APNU+AFC in 2015 even after I asked him to do so by email. He told me he wanted to retain his independence. And Ralph doesn't need a Granger job. He has done well on his own. 

Granger has already created an atmosphere of severe division in the society. I can see major protests demanding free elections and violence perpetrated at the leaders of the main opposition and its supporters.  Amerindians will not be spared if they don't comply with the orders of APNU. Remember, people did not have to vote for the PNC to win in elections from 68 to 85.  The electoral machine was in control of the PNC and it is back in the hands of them again. God Help Guyana!

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Granger has already created an atmosphere of severe division in the society. I can see major protests demanding free elections and violence perpetrated at the leaders of the main opposition and its supporters.  Amerindians will not be spared if they don't comply with the orders of APNU. Remember, people did not have to vote for the PNC to win in elections from 68 to 85.  The electoral machine was in control of the PNC and it is back in the hands of them again. God Help Guyana!

Why put the blame only at granger feet .  The PPP is to blame for granger to be in office . Let’s not put a particular race to the problems . 

PPP insult the Americans and they should never do so and they continue to do the same .

They insult their diehard supporters . Nagamootoo and Ralf did not want to leave the party the fought for . Ralf did the gentle man thing and didn’t support AFC . Naga was bitter and he supports AFC. 

The ppp is responsible for the formation of AFC

Jagdeo belief he has the solution to the country problems , where is he today . He spends more time hugging and kissing up in the street now as oppose to when he was in government . Don’t get me wrong , I have nothing personal against the man , he is a charismatic leader as oppose to granger .( I was at his weeding ). 

there is bitterness in people as to how he runs the country .  

 

 

Gilbakka posted:
Prashad posted:

Like Ralph and his side kick Jeff Henry are angry. No jobs from Granjir.

To his credit, Ralph never endorsed APNU+AFC in 2015 even after I asked him to do so by email. He told me he wanted to retain his independence. And Ralph doesn't need a Granger job. He has done well on his own. 

When Dr.Jagan offered him a portfolio in 1992 he also refused. Dr.Jagan wanted to assign him constitutional reform duties. At that time he was also doing well on his own with many lucrative deals with overseas entities. 

Django posted:
seignet posted:
Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Both Moses and Ramjattan should resign out of respect for Guyanese Indians. 

Priya Manichand had said, "we know, you all doan like us", meaning blacks doan like cooolie people. Today, I agree with her. A call to any government agency will soon quality her sattement. If is a black man at the other end of phone and a coolie on the end, the conversation becomes confrontational-as if the coolie has no business to do with Guyana. I witnessed this behaviour some years ago when some black government folks came to meet with the diaspora in Toronto.

Jagdeo and the PPP is a people who endured PNC wrong doings as children growing up in Guyana. I now, also understands their behaviour. 

Indians will have a very difficult time in Guyana. And those Indians who are free, they should pay heed to what is going on with their people. 

So it's all about the PPP and East Indians,and the rest who doesn't conform with the them,can go to hell.

No wonder that Country is Politically screwed.

Black ppl started it off that way. They are back at it again. I expected better from them. There are no excuses for Indians, dem sort of individualistic while black folks are more corporate. But Granger is/was a racist and his whole government is racist.

comrade posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Prashad posted:

Like Ralph and his side kick Jeff Henry are angry. No jobs from Granjir.

To his credit, Ralph never endorsed APNU+AFC in 2015 even after I asked him to do so by email. He told me he wanted to retain his independence. And Ralph doesn't need a Granger job. He has done well on his own. 

When Dr.Jagan offered him a portfolio in 1992 he also refused. Dr.Jagan wanted to assign him constitutional reform duties. At that time he was also doing well on his own with many lucrative deals with overseas entities. 

He was a PNC operative making tons of money on Hoyte's ERP.

Django posted:
Dave posted:

 Don’t get me wrong , I have nothing personal against the man , he is a charismatic leader as oppose to granger .( I was at his weeding )

Suh you gave your blessings to the fake wedding.

I wouldn’t say his marriage was fake , that’s speculation . 

I knew his father in law ( who was a dedicated ppp would show up at freedom house and openly insult them for the crap they were dong... this didn’t go well with Jagdeo and the executive committee . 

Jagdeo big sister was also living at state house and she was a wedge between the couple... he listen to his sister .

PPP don’t like to be critize , you’re thrown to the curb. You are quickly lable a cut throat .

seignet posted:
Django posted:
seignet posted:
Zed posted:

1. Many agree that the PPP should look for a new leader. However, that will be decided by the membership,of the PPP. As far as I can remember, Jagdeo got the most votes at the last PPP congress. What does that tell you what you have to do?

2. Many said that the PPP would have lost massively at the last elections. Jagdeo played a large role in the campaign. Well, they were proven wrong and the PPP came within one vote of winning enough seats to form a majority government.

3. This thread was about the AFC being hijacked by the PNC element. Django did a great job of diverting you all from the topic and led you to a discussion of the PPP. He played you all for suckers, if I can be allowed for being mildly rude for once.

4. Who are the pro PNC oligarchs in the AFC? Is Trottman one of them? We still do not know what was discussed and what was the plan developed between Trottman and Granger at the meeting in the Bahamas.

5. If the current situation is part if the plan, then all those who supported the AFC were duped, betrayed by the PRo PNC oligarchs in the AFC . Furthermore, both Moses and ramjattan, eager for power, were duped by this Pro PNC elements in the AFC.

Both Moses and Ramjattan should resign out of respect for Guyanese Indians. 

Priya Manichand had said, "we know, you all doan like us", meaning blacks doan like cooolie people. Today, I agree with her. A call to any government agency will soon quality her sattement. If is a black man at the other end of phone and a coolie on the end, the conversation becomes confrontational-as if the coolie has no business to do with Guyana. I witnessed this behaviour some years ago when some black government folks came to meet with the diaspora in Toronto.

Jagdeo and the PPP is a people who endured PNC wrong doings as children growing up in Guyana. I now, also understands their behaviour. 

Indians will have a very difficult time in Guyana. And those Indians who are free, they should pay heed to what is going on with their people. 

So it's all about the PPP and East Indians,and the rest who doesn't conform with the them,can go to hell.

No wonder that Country is Politically screwed.

Black ppl started it off that way. They are back at it again. I expected better from them. There are no excuses for Indians, dem sort of individualistic while black folks are more corporate. But Granger is/was a racist and his whole government is racist.

A black person in position would take a small piece to help you , but Indians demand half of your profit .

they would calculate your profit and tell you .... their wife would show up at your home for the $ 

a black man would step in and protect a Indian , but Indians ... not so 

Dave, from whom is the black (Afro-Guyanese) protecting the Indian? Have you had Them protect you and under what circumstances?

Are you suggesting to us that you have first hand experience with the payoff kind of activity or is your statement based on anecdotal evidence?

Regardless of all the posts about the PPP, we still have the AFC being taken over by the PNC oligarchy and the liars Moses and RAmjattan, who were conned by Trottman, hanging on for dear dollar, building their pension plan. They cannot release themselves from the tiger because they are scared that they will be eaten.

Zed posted:

Dave, from whom is the black (Afro-Guyanese) protecting the Indian? Have you had Them protect you and under what circumstances?

Are you suggesting to us that you have first hand experience with the payoff kind of activity or is your statement based on anecdotal evidence?

Zed , everything I wrote is from personal experience . Had businesses in Guyana and still do . Most Indian business man hire the black as security guard.

We use a black person to deposit our money into the bank - never had a problem . 

Payoff is from personal experience .

i also had terrible experience at the hands of black , scar that is on my body and will be there for life . I also had bad experience at the hands of our kind ... but they are more gentle in robbing you .

i am sure everyone on this forum would have a experience to tell .

Zed posted:

Regardless of all the posts about the PPP, we still have the AFC being taken over by the PNC oligarchy and the liars Moses and RAmjattan, who were conned by Trottman, hanging on for dear dollar, building their pension plan. They cannot release themselves from the tiger because they are scared that they will be eaten.

We all knew this would happen to AFC. Mosses and Rumjat have no choice now . They are in position for the money . Moses knew what PNC did to UF ... he struggle with the ppp but he was bitter what the executive did to him  and decide to screw the PPP. 

Moses did illegal stuff in his younger days with the ppp and a internal investigation was done . A decision was made to fire him, but Dr. Jagan kept him ... Janet want him to go . Hope this provide the answer why she pass the mantel to Jagdeo .

If you asked the older folks ( grass root   PPP) if they know Jagdeo , the answer is NO .

jagdeo never struggle with or for the ppp . The ppp send him along with a few others to study in Russia and on his return he got closer to Jagan . A few guys quit and return home , but did the work on the floor .

i am still a ppp supporter , it’s in my blood but I would not agree with their ideology .

Again I speak from personal experience , went to Ramotar for a licence fire arm and was given the run around . The same very Ramotar who would visit our home . 

Pay bribe and donate TV to Gagraj at the home affairs office . My dad ( chairman of ppp group for years )make reference at the local ppp group meeting regarding the bribery  , the word got to Jagdeo ears and Gagraj make reference to my in laws when they went to apply , in fact my in laws  were seeking to have my gun transfer to them after I migrate and they have huge store in GT .

Gilbakka posted:

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A promise by the APNU+AFC coalition of rapid constitutional reform within months of taking office has collapsed. Two and a half years later nothing has begun.

 

SOURCE = Stabroek News

And those who oppose Granger's unilateral action as he exercise LEGALLY his rights in an ILLEGAL constitution should focus on this.

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

seignet posted:
it off that way. They are back at it again. I expected better from them. There are no excuses for Indians, dem sort of individualistic while black folks are more corporate. But Granger is/was a racist and his whole government is racist.

Black people cannot even agree about who is or isn't black and here you babble about us being not individualistic?  The most individualistic people on this planet are blacks.  When a black succeeds its not because anyone helps him. We succeed or fail on our own.

 

Indians will be Indians and can only be Indians and will see life through Indian eyes.  A look at GNI is evidence of that.

Demerara_Guy posted:
 

The Civic section of the PPP has members-at-large plus MPs in the past and current governments.

The Civic was Cheddi's Bantustan to ensure that black "allies" would never have any real input into the PPP. Luncheon is the only influential black within the PPP.

Dave posted:
 

Absolutely , Only Indian businessmen will be rich , the majority of Indians will continue to suffer and they will blame PNC and not seeing is Jagdeo suppressing their livelihood .

Yes many running off to the islands after 2000, quite a few becoming semi slaves, and yet they will still rush and kiss Jagdeo's toes and cheer when he babbles about the "coolie people party".

At least blacks have the sense to loudly complain about the fact that Granger is ignoring them.  No kissing of Granger's rear from them.

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

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A promise by the APNU+AFC coalition of rapid constitutional reform within months of taking office has collapsed. Two and a half years later nothing has begun.

 

SOURCE = Stabroek News

And those who oppose Granger's unilateral action as he exercise LEGALLY his rights in an ILLEGAL constitution should focus on this.

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

One of the most bare-faced talk to ever come from a GNIier. It's a slap on the face on those who cherish a free and democratic society. 

Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:

Those who run behind Jagdeo are like people living in a hovel complaining about the cockroaches.  Obviously if the building is filthy then cockroaches will be rampant.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. 

What facts.  That Jagdeo is prancing around screaming lies to rally the (Indian) troops?

The constitution is illegal in the first place and I am sure that you know full well the fraud that was involved in putting it in place.  If you want an example of blatant PNC rigging try the referendum.  Even worse than in 1973 and 1968.

So why isn't the emphasis on replacing that instead of falling for Jagdeo's scam?  You are truly naïve if you think that Jagdeo isn't fully aware that the Carter formula is NOT part of the constitution. He had 10 years to do this and did NOT do so.   Clearly then his current screams are an attempt to fool naïve people like YOU.

APNU/AFC promised to work on the constitution within MONTHS.  The PPP promised the same in 1992.  Now I would think that those who care about democracy would focus their energies on that instead of Jagdeo destruction.

If you want to return to the PPP because life is lonely go and do so but don't pretend as if you do so for the good of Guyana.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
 

One of the most bare-faced talk to ever come from a GNIier. It's a slap on the face on those who cherish a free and democratic society. 

So go and celebrate Burnham's constitution then.  Don't wail about how he got it through blatant rigging, boasting of massive voter turnout in G/T and winning in Region 6.

I can understand why you agree with Jagdeo that the constitution is wonderful.  Just the wrong person given unlimited power.

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