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Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
Just like assistance to reform the police force, the PPP refused several Brazilian foreign investments in ethanol in Guyana. one was 300 mill us$


The crooks in the PPP are only interested in projects that they can steal from.

My guess is that the Brazilian Govt would have their people incharge of the project and there cannot be at thieving.
Pointblank
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Originally posted by Pointblank:
quote:
Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
Just like assistance to reform the police force, the PPP refused several Brazilian foreign investments in ethanol in Guyana. one was 300 mill us$


The crooks in the PPP are only interested in projects that they can steal from.

My guess is that the Brazilian Govt would have their people incharge of the project and there cannot be at thieving.

Do you blame them, why would anyone put incompetents incharge. The greatest competency the PPP boasts is intricate crookery and bare faced theivery, even making constitutional the master Sultan's crooked penion benefits.
FM
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Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
sorry about that. here is the scientific paper

http://www.sciencedirect.com/s...ii/S0305750X11000611


The paper completely ignores the fact that the Brazilian project is dependent upon virtual slave labor to make it "cost-effective." The whole concept of "bio-fuels" is retrogressive. Like many policies being promoted by "green" NGOs, it is designed to keep Third World countries backward and desperate, deny them self-sufficiency and real sovereignty, and keep them forever as a reserve of cheap labor and cheap raw materials.
FM
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Originally posted by Henry:
quote:
Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
sorry about that. here is the scientific paper

http://www.sciencedirect.com/s...ii/S0305750X11000611


The paper completely ignores the fact that the Brazilian project is dependent upon virtual slave labor to make it "cost-effective." The whole concept of "bio-fuels" is retrogressive. Like many policies being promoted by "green" NGOs, it is designed to keep Third World countries backward and desperate, deny them self-sufficiency and real sovereignty, and keep them forever as a reserve of cheap labor and cheap raw materials.

Somehow, such things seem non-viable only in Guyana. The Brazilian company was looking it from a purely stand-alone commercial enterprise with a labour-intensive model. We are talking E10, not E 100 as is the case in brazil. I makes no sense if we substitute the outflow from Guyana to OPEC to the outflow to Brazil. A viable E10 policiy is well within the realm as a domestic program where all value creation will be plowed back into the domestic economy, maybe with the exception a the capital investment and certain technical elements of on-going operations. Bio-fuel could be produced from approx USD 2.50 p/g.
FM
It is interesting to note that the PPP government try to start a bio-fuel program with the help from a well known Guyanese scientist in Canada, but after a few failed starts, the person frustrated in dealing with the GOG, is back in Canada and the taxpayers money in millions, is down the drain.
It is no wonder PPP supporters will know more what happen in rumshops, than what happen with bio-fuels.
Tola
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
I ask about 200 Guyanese if dem know waa is boi-fuel and dem sey who the rass care about that..what is that...the AFC/PNC have nothing of real substance to offer the Guyanese..dem only blowing hot air..looking for attention...this bio-fuel trick will not do in Rumjattan..nice try.

Because they ont know what it means to them. Ask them, the fact that the sugar industry is not longer viable as such will be scaled back, then see how quickly they jump up. If they understand the linkage between bio-fuels and the survival of the rest of the sugar industry and alternate employment, you might get a diferent response. Ignorance is the best asset the PPP have when in comes to the uneducated masses.

Effective leadership requires you take the lead in shifting the paradign, educating the people, bringing the along on new pathways they may not be too familiar with but will be beneficial to them. The easy road is the pander to their fears and ignorance. One does not need to much accumen, leadership savvy or IQ to pull that off. However, one could understand both the PPP and PNC in this. It's difficult to do anything diferent when you are inept, visionless, corrupt and woefully lacking in intellectual leadership.
FM
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Originally posted by Tola:
It is interesting to note that the PPP government try to start a bio-fuel program with the help from a well known Guyanese scientist in Canada, but after a few failed starts, the person frustrated in dealing with the GOG, is back in Canada and the taxpayers money in millions, is down the drain.
It is no wonder PPP supporters will know more what happen in rumshops, than what happen with bio-fuels.


I think i know this person, i had some dicsussions with their connections in Guyana. I also had a very close connection abd personal connection with the source of the bio-mass. This connection says the PPP is a bunch of losers and don't really give a damn. There was not much they (PPP) stood to gain as such they were not interested.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
Effective leadership requires you take the lead in shifting the paradign, educating the people, bringing the along on new pathways they may not be too familiar with but will be beneficial to them.
I think all this paradigm shifting tends to be more beneficial to the colonial powers. Guyana should stop trying to please Europe and the US. Developing nations nowadays are getting a far better deal from China.
FM
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Originally posted by Henry:
quote:
Originally posted by baseman:
Effective leadership requires you take the lead in shifting the paradign, educating the people, bringing the along on new pathways they may not be too familiar with but will be beneficial to them.
I think all this paradigm shifting tends to be more beneficial to the colonial powers. Guyana should stop trying to please Europe and the US. Developing nations nowadays are getting a far better deal from China.

We pandered to the Soviets and we are the 2nd poorest nation. Run off to the Chinese, you will end up like we have today in 25 years. We go searching for answers far afield while the population runs off to every little neighbour and the US/Canada to make a living. Those neighbours have embraced the Western model.
FM
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Originally posted by Henry:
quote:
Originally posted by baseman:
Effective leadership requires you take the lead in shifting the paradign, educating the people, bringing the along on new pathways they may not be too familiar with but will be beneficial to them.
I think all this paradigm shifting tends to be more beneficial to the colonial powers. Guyana should stop trying to please Europe and the US. Developing nations nowadays are getting a far better deal from China.


A better deal from China like the way Africa is being raped and plundered today by the Chinese?
FM
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I ask about 200 Guyanese if dem know waa is boi-fuel and dem sey who the rass care about that..what is that...the AFC/PNC have nothing of real substance to offer the Guyanese..dem only blowing hot air..looking for attention...this bio-fuel trick will not do in Rumjattan..nice try.


Mr Super Mike,

It is this mentality which makes Guyana a donkey cart economy.
FM
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Henry:The paper completely ignores the fact that the Brazilian project is dependent upon virtual slave labor to make it "cost-effective." The whole concept of "bio-fuels" is retrogressive.


please provide some evidence that they use slave labour in Brazil. Castro said bio-fuels are retrogressive. it does not mean he is right
FM
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Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
quote:
Henry:The paper completely ignores the fact that the Brazilian project is dependent upon virtual slave labor to make it "cost-effective." The whole concept of "bio-fuels" is retrogressive.


please provide some evidence that they use slave labour in Brazil. Castro said bio-fuels are retrogressive. it does not mean he is right

Castro was referring to the diversion of grain (corn) for bio-fuels which then give rise to higher food prices. Use of cane does not result in such as sugar prices are low in anycase creating economic hardship on sugar economies. Furthermore, the fact that Castro says so don't make it right, he pandering to Chavez. He should encourage dissenting views in Cuba then his views will have more credibility anyway. Castro's economic and poitical model is not one to celebrate.
FM
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Henry, thanks for posting your link, but it is outdated. Any updates from the 1979 findings?
The 1979 findings were a warning. I would say that the 2007 raid by Brazil's Anti-Slavery Police is a confirmation of that warning.

1979!! Boy you are stuck in the past. Fidel should have mind what was happening in the USSR, not the US/West.
FM
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Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
quote:
I ask about 200 Guyanese if dem know waa is boi-fuel and dem sey who the rass care about that..what is that...the AFC/PNC have nothing of real substance to offer the Guyanese..dem only blowing hot air..looking for attention...this bio-fuel trick will not do in Rumjattan..nice try.


Mr Super Mike,

It is this mentality which makes Guyana a donkey cart economy.
I think it is highly ironic that you should be talking about "donkey cart economy" at the same time you and the AFC are advocating bio-fuels. If Guyana wants to become a developed country, we need to harness hydro-electric power and join ARKAL.
FM
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Originally posted by Henry:
quote:
Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
quote:
I ask about 200 Guyanese if dem know waa is boi-fuel and dem sey who the rass care about that..what is that...the AFC/PNC have nothing of real substance to offer the Guyanese..dem only blowing hot air..looking for attention...this bio-fuel trick will not do in Rumjattan..nice try.


Mr Super Mike,

It is this mentality which makes Guyana a donkey cart economy.
I think it is highly ironic that you should be talking about "donkey cart economy" at the same time you and the AFC are advocating bio-fuels. If Guyana wants to become a developed country, we need to harness hydro-electric power and join ARKAL.

What nonesense, the use of power from Hydro is different from the use of E10 bio-fuels. It's two diffrenet needs.
FM
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Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
Mr Henry,

My reading from the AFC's action plan is they have renewable energy strategy. they have a 'portfolio' of renewable energy sources. hydro, ethnaol, bio diesel from coconut and electricity from coconut shells/wastes and bagasse. you read it. hydro is part of the programme.
Hydro is the only part of the programme that is appropriate for a modern and sovereign nation.
FM
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Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
hydro does come with serious environmntsl costs to forests and indigenous peoples. we need to have a balanced renewab;e energy perspective


The AFC proposes the following policies as part of a renewable energy economic package. The AFC believes that energy needs should be met with a portfolio of renewable energy sources and not a single energy source.

1. AFC proposes a Renewable Energy Industrial Expansion Act (REIEA). This Act would mandate specifically that Guyana move immediately to an ethanol blend of 10% by 2013 and a hydrous E15 blend by 2015;

2. The Demerara Sugar Estates and the West Berbice Sugar Estates would shift mainly to ethanol that could be made immediately from sugar and molasses. Other higher yielding feedstock would eventually be used;

3. Foreign investors will be brought in to develop other ethanol feedstock for the purpose of export;

4. As part of the REIEA, all bagasse (whether from sugar or ethanol) would be bought up by private investors to convert bagasse into electrical energy. For instance, bagasse from the Uitvlugt and Wales Sugar Estates
would be used to generate electricity right at home in Region 3. This localisation would also utilise the existing national grid system;

5. It is a well known fact that the hydroelectricity capacity in Guyana is enormous. However, the country is yet to exploit this opportunity in a realistic manner. A major reason for failing to exploit our hydroelectricity capacity could be the small size of current domestic demand and the limited focus on manufacturing and agro-industrial processing. In this regard, the AFC proposes
that hydroelectricity should be coupled with
alumina production for Region 10. In this way, tremendous value would be added to Guyana’s bauxite and immediate demand is created for electricity. The various hydroelectric plants could also claim carbon credits should this global market take off;

6. The AFC plans to explore the possibility of developing hydroelectric power for export to Brazil and Venezuela;

7. The AFC proposes the use of wind and solar energies;

8. The AFC proposes a National Bio-Diesel Policy which can revitalise the coconut industry and bring larger acreage under cultivation.

GO AFC

VOTE FOR THE KEY



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FM
quote:
Originally posted by Sase Singh:
quote:
Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
hydro does come with serious environmntsl costs to forests and indigenous peoples. we need to have a balanced renewab;e energy perspective


The AFC proposes the following policies as part of a renewable energy economic package. The AFC believes that energy needs should be met with a portfolio of renewable energy sources and not a single energy source.

1. AFC proposes a Renewable Energy Industrial Expansion Act (REIEA). This Act would mandate specifically that Guyana move immediately to an ethanol blend of 10% by 2013 and a hydrous E15 blend by 2015;

2. The Demerara Sugar Estates and the West Berbice Sugar Estates would shift mainly to ethanol that could be made immediately from sugar and molasses. Other higher yielding feedstock would eventually be used;

3. Foreign investors will be brought in to develop other ethanol feedstock for the purpose of export;

4. As part of the REIEA, all bagasse (whether from sugar or ethanol) would be bought up by private investors to convert bagasse into electrical energy. For instance, bagasse from the Uitvlugt and Wales Sugar Estates
would be used to generate electricity right at home in Region 3. This localisation would also utilise the existing national grid system;

5. It is a well known fact that the hydroelectricity capacity in Guyana is enormous. However, the country is yet to exploit this opportunity in a realistic manner. A major reason for failing to exploit our hydroelectricity capacity could be the small size of current domestic demand and the limited focus on manufacturing and agro-industrial processing. In this regard, the AFC proposes
that hydroelectricity should be coupled with
alumina production for Region 10. In this way, tremendous value would be added to Guyana’s bauxite and immediate demand is created for electricity. The various hydroelectric plants could also claim carbon credits should this global market take off;

6. The AFC plans to explore the possibility of developing hydroelectric power for export to Brazil and Venezuela;

7. The AFC proposes the use of wind and solar energies;

8. The AFC proposes a National Bio-Diesel Policy which can revitalise the coconut industry and bring larger acreage under cultivation.

GO AFC

VOTE FOR THE KEY



FM
quote:
Originally posted by Henry:
quote:
Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
Mr Henry,

My reading from the AFC's action plan is they have renewable energy strategy. they have a 'portfolio' of renewable energy sources. hydro, ethnaol, bio diesel from coconut and electricity from coconut shells/wastes and bagasse. you read it. hydro is part of the programme.
Hydro is the only part of the programme that is appropriate for a modern and sovereign nation.
Hydo electricity comes with heavy baggage. It is not always good or practical in large size. We can find ways of producing energy in less damaging ways. Modern and sovereign are just useless garnish since it is not anti modern to reject large hydro projects.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Pointblank:
quote:
Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
Just like assistance to reform the police force, the PPP refused several Brazilian foreign investments in ethanol in Guyana. one was 300 mill us$


The crooks in the PPP are only interested in projects that they can steal from.

My guess is that the Brazilian Govt would have their people incharge of the project and there cannot be at thieving.


The PPP is interested in feeding, housing and clothing the nation. We cannot allow foreign governments to dictate our policies that would benifit them.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
AFC renewable energy policy strategy is better than LCDS which projects a highly unrealistic stream of incomes (US$580 mill each year) for OP to spend. AFC has a plan to create renewable energy jobs.


yall keep it..yall will need something to do when yall join the rest in the waste bin cause yall will be residing there for a long time.
FM
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
AFC renewable energy policy strategy is better than LCDS which projects a highly unrealistic stream of incomes (US$580 mill each year) for OP to spend. AFC has a plan to create renewable energy jobs.


yall keep it..yall will need something to do when yall join the rest in the waste bin cause yall will be residing there for a long time.


7 WEEKS TO GO Supa. Which bin will you run to? Hammie Green? Again!
D
quote:
Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
quote:
Originally posted by Pointblank:
quote:
Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
Just like assistance to reform the police force, the PPP refused several Brazilian foreign investments in ethanol in Guyana. one was 300 mill us$


The crooks in the PPP are only interested in projects that they can steal from.

My guess is that the Brazilian Govt would have their people incharge of the project and there cannot be at thieving.


The PPP is interested in feeding, housing and clothing the nation. We cannot allow foreign governments to dictate our policies that would benifit them.

Still "interested" after 19 years. One would expect such a comment in the first term. Maybe they could have borrowed some notes from the PNC initiative. Regarding foreign Govts, don't pout off too quickly, see how quickly the LCDS funds got held-up. Alyuh does talk like Friday evening drunken canecutters, that's why you are where you are.
FM

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