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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by warrior:
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when you guys divide up guyana i want a seafront property 

talk to shaitaan. He is the one who claims that Indians are a separate nation, bound to India, and only in Guyana by accident.

 

Look at dis shameless liard hey

 

We are not a separate nation-state. Nor are we bound to India except by historical ties such Italian-Americans feel for Italy.

 

We are in Guyana due to the forces of history. I don't know what "accident" means in this context.

 

And this nonsense about Indians with opinions that you don't like being told to go home, try being less silly. Even I would not stoop to telling the worse negro in Guyana to "go home." He is home. If he's an obnoxious prick, then he's our obnoxious prick.

 

Just like how you're OUR obnoxious negro bhai

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:

 Maybe it is better if Indians form their own territory and live away from the rest of us, if they don't see themselves as part of this Guyanese nation.  This is where your screams of being a separate nation will lead to.

 

You are most welcome to your personal fantasies my friend. Indians are a constituent part of the Guyanese polity. We ain't goin nowhere. We have hallowed the Guyanese soil with the bones of our fathers, tilled it's soil, and our coolies daily keep it running. We own our share as much as our ancestors owned their plots of Bihar.

 

If you can't understand what a national group is or a nation divorced from a state, just wiki or something before you argue against the point because of what you suspect it may foretell in your personal crystal ball.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by warrior:
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when you guys divide up guyana i want a seafront property 

talk to shaitaan. He is the one who claims that Indians are a separate nation, bound to India, and only in Guyana by accident.

 

 

And this nonsense about Indians with opinions that you don't like being told to go home, try being less silly. Even I would not stoop to telling the worse negro in Guyana to "go home." He is home. If he's an obnoxious prick, then he's our obnoxious prick.

 

Just like how you're OUR obnoxious negro bhai

This is not about having different opinions.  This is about your assertion that Indians are a separate nation bound by ties to India. 

 

If you have decided to change your mind on this and define yourself within the context of Guyana, and admit that Guyana is a multi cultural society where we are all bound to each other than that is different.

 

But you cannot have it both ways.  You either are defined by your Guyanese context, or you are not.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by warrior:
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when you guys divide up guyana i want a seafront property 

talk to shaitaan. He is the one who claims that Indians are a separate nation, bound to India, and only in Guyana by accident.

 

 

And this nonsense about Indians with opinions that you don't like being told to go home, try being less silly. Even I would not stoop to telling the worse negro in Guyana to "go home." He is home. If he's an obnoxious prick, then he's our obnoxious prick.

 

Just like how you're OUR obnoxious negro bhai

This is not about having different opinions.  This is about your assertion that Indians are a separate nation bound by ties to India. 

 

If you have decided to change your mind on this and define yourself within the context of Guyana, and admit that Guyana is a multi cultural society where we are all bound to each other than that is different.

 

But you cannot have it both ways.  You either are defined by your Guyanese context, or you are not.

 

Maybe that one head injury in a war zone has taken it's toll on me.

 

I don't know how you do it. You set up straw men and then fight vigorously to take them down.

 

Maybe you're distracted by the usage of the term "nation." "National" group could work too. Basically a group of people who seem somewhat cohesive according to the traditional definition. The Amerindians clearly fit this bill well. I defined the Indian national group that exists in Guyana.

 

We don't have any real ties to India and don't need any. India as a state is irrelevant to us.

 

I never doubted that the Indian National group that exists in Guyana is defined within the context of Guyana as it has been so since 1838 and we wouldn't be who we are if we hadn't been so engineered and cohered in Guyana. And of course Guyana is a multinational state where we are all bound to each other.

 

I never once contended that we are the people who landed in 1838. We are not nor should we want to be. I think we're better in many ways.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

I never doubted that the Indian National group

Amerindians certainly don't qualify as a nation.  Coastlanders might gather than under one heading, and call them "buck people,"   But there are several identities which exist, Wai Wai, Macusi, Arawak, Patamona, etc.  Prior to the arrival of the Europeans, these were warring "nations", and its not evident that an Arawak from the coast identifies with the remote Wai Wai, except for the fact that coastlanders don't see them as being any different.

 

Your endless derision of "coolie" people shows that Indo Guyanese are NOT one group of people united by a common set of criteria.  It is obvious that there is a subgroup of Indo Guyanese who you don't respect, and who will definitely deride you for not being a Hindu, and for being culturally creolized.  

 

In fact the very India, from which their ancestors left, doesn't have true sense of "nationhood", that is until they leave the shores of India.  And even there, all the chatter about the different groups makes me even wonder about that.  Indeed the notion of a Punjabi marrying a Bengali is as weird to many of them as is the notion of large numbers of Indo Guyanese deciding to marry people from other ethnicities is to you.

 

 

There is a black chutney king in Guyana.  Be proud of the fact that this will only happen in Guyana, Trinidad, and maybe Suriname.  For reasons best known to himself he loves Indian music and maybe other aspects of the culture as practiced in Guyana.  That is his right as a Guyanese, as much as Indo Guyanese have the same rights to like reggae or other aspects of Afro Caribbean culture.

 

Guyana is a multi cultural nation, where many cultures exist side by side.  Where all of these cultures have been transformed, not only by the sugar plantation and the European colonials, but also by the daily interaction which they have with each other.  The result is that people adapt aspects of another culture which they like, or find useful. 

 

People also operate on a cultural continuum, so it would not be surprising if the night before the black chutney king won, he might have been beating drums at a Kwekwe, and the following day he might be singing hymns in an Anglican church.  THAT my dear sir is what being GUYANESE is all about.  Not being locked upon into separate Bantustans and pretending to be people who have no commonalities and ties with one another.

FM
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