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Reply to "Sonu Nigam insulted our noble Religion"

D2 posted:

 

Let me first say that your problems with Jesus calling people what they are is your problem not the problem of Christians.

The Canaanite woman knew who he was and understood his response would not thwart her request for aid. Jews did not help non jews. Jesus told her as much before his Jewish audience. She as a believer did not falter but persisted. It was to illustrate the depth of faith. And what did this Jew did for a sworn enemy of Jews? He helped her. That is the point of the lesson. Most of the stories were written some 50 years after his death and they most likely are paraphrase to illustrate his method of teaching by example and parables. Nowhere did he not help when asked.

Jesus of the bible is decisive, purposeful, and always focused on moral ways of achieving salvation. Not one line in his words ever mentioned killing anyone, or taxing them disproportionately or  punishing them. He stated emphatically that the reward is not here but in another reality. Leave the unbelievers unto themselves and know they are dammed if they do not change their ways. He never suggest they be killed or forced to the faith.

Your insistence that he came for the Jews alone is not what Christians believe and what they believe is all that matters. However there are numerous examples as to why they believe as they do because they can source a reference.  I do not care to quote them because I am not here to convince you but to make it clear you are spreading Muslim polemics not biblical doctrine.

As I said, these arguments are resolved for Christians. Muslims need them to establish the benevolence of Mohamed despite the reality of his life being one of war rather than convincing his opponents through the worth of his theology. Jesus never said to fight Caesar but insisted that believers follow their faith. That was was emphasized directly by his admonishing his disciples who wanted to resist his arrest and his healing the severed ear of the Roman. The carry over of this admonition not to fight  is demonstrated by the lives of the disciples themselves. Beginning with Simon to Peter  to Paul to Timothy they never resisted but were martyred for their faith. While people may give their life for a lie...these people had no reason to project a lie. They believe in his lessons about peace and judgement being somewhere else.

One considers the New Testament valid no less than one considers any historical recounting valid by comparing its historical references. The people mentioned can be checked from alternative sources. Even Jesus was mentioned three times by external sources (one considered dubious because it referenced him as the son of god)

Note the Koran is a compendium of unfinished stories of mainly Jewish life.  If one is to complete any of the stories, the life of  Moses's life for example, one has to go to the bible and Jewish sources. That is their historical ethos. You cannot doubt that and have a valid Koran. If you consider them valid then why do you doubt the history of lives of a people writing about their people contemporaneously?  That is history  people writing about themselves. You accept it or not.

I have to tell you here my friend that almost everything you mentioned above is what Christians preach and teach but they are not supported by the unfiltered text of the Bible. I believe that it is rude and obnoxious to call a woman a dog or to call others pigs and swine, even pricks. If Christians don't care about that kind of behavior, more power to them. For me, putting lipstick on a pig does not change the fact that it is still a pig.

There is a show currently on CNN titled "Finding Jesus" and many of the long believed 'facts' are being proven incorrect by carbon testing. Christians may chose to deny the results of those tests but they are no less invalid just because Christians don't accept them.

FM
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