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Reply to "Sonu Nigam insulted our noble Religion"

ksazma posted:

Incidentally D2, that is my current position about Jesus. As I look at his words and actions listed in the Bible I find it interesting that someone described as gentle would express such disdains for so many just because they were not part of his inner circle. Consider his dismissal of the dead with his "let the dead bury the dead" comment to list one. You are familiar with all of them so I wouldn't bore you with them. The negatives of his words and actions far outweigh the positives in my opinion. There was a 1979 book called the 100 which listed Paul as third most influential person in history ahead of Jesus and the author posited that Paul is more influential to Christianity than Jesus. Jesus is more the shadow leader while Paul is the actual leader and that is easy to see as preachers quote Paul much more than they do Jesus or God.

That he is violent etc is unadulterated crap that your readings of Muslim polemics have inculcated in you. Had they tell you of the wars of Mohamed similarly as aggressive and not to confront aggression you would have the same position. Jesus admonishes, chastises, condemns, criticizes poor behavior. He overlays it all with the simple message that one is to love ones neighbor as himself and not to beat him into submission. 

In not one instance has he organized armed resistance to confront those he disagreed with and he had the Jewish clans and the Romans overlords to deal with. He never said what everyone wanted him to do, organize riots. 30 years after his death that is exactly what agitators did with the Jewish population and it result in Vespasian banishing the Jews from the holy land.

Anyway, the above is digression. Return to the original premise, ie he was a lungera meaning an insolent fellow with limited knowledge whose words can illustrate this. Note the first time we met him at 12 he was lecturing to the scholars of Israel who insists he was a man of great learning. His last words was reflecting on Psalm  121 written two thousand years previously. The point I make and I can examine every sentence, that came from his mouth and not attributed to anyone else, was that of a man of great depth.

How can Paul be greater to christian when Paul was organizing Christians in the ways of Christ? The religion is after all about Cristos. Paul give it a methodology to survive, private communal services and inclusiveness. It later took its structure Bishop to parish priests from the Roman government system to Organize around Peter as its first Pope not Paul.

Paul is important for making Christians survive from the first century to the third.  The greatest push for its survival came from Constantine's mother Helena ( and not Constantine himself) After him the next push was with Justinian and Theodora ( an Egyptian actress and prostitute) and they give it the order to take it through the dark ages to be rescued by the Frankish King, Charlemagne again and who again pushed it into  the Renaissance. The point I make is all of these people served Christ  and his message, Christianity, not Paul.

FM
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