caribny posted:Kari posted:
Then we read where only the Muslims can stop this desecration of Islam - defund these heretics, banish them from the institution of Islam, etc.
The fact that you put me within the same context of baseman is interesting. He screams that Islam is evil and ought to be crushed.
I am telling you that Islam has an image problem, in addition to a real problem in that it has become attractive to more nutcases than is currently the case with other religions.
Now while you wail that Muslims can do nothing, and imply that NON Muslims must fix the problem. Understand something. Every bigot needs to find a scape goat to distract the increasingly impoverished white masses of Europe and North America.
As of now the bad image of Islam makes it very easy this group to become the whipped group.
Israel has their own agenda, and are happy that Muslims are increasingly seen as monsters by many by many in the West. This fact has given them the upper hand in their own PR while they tie their "victimization" by Arabs to a European public who are increasingly panicked by what they see as hordes of Muslim savages descending on their lands. The Palestinian cause used to have widespread support in Europe, which enabled the Palestinians to mitigate the blind control that Israel has over the USA. Israel is quite happy that this European support for a free Palestine is diminishing.
The right wing bigots within the GOP will also sow similar panic among less educated whites, as they continue to oppress them with increasing automation, outsourcing, offshoring, and depressing real wages, and cutting back on social supports, inclusive of popular ones like Medicare and Social Security.
More moderate elements like the Democrats in the USA, and the slightly right or left of center parties in Europe, will look at the polls, and mouth nice PC things about Muslims, but will not want to too aggressively fight the anti Muslim bigotry, for fear of being seen as being "soft on terrorism". Even the Labor Party in the UK has engaged in its own demonization of British Muslims.
So feel free to wail that some one who suggests that Muslims should figure out a way to solve their problems should be connected to a bigot like Baseman, who screams that Islam is evil and that it should be singled out and stigmatized, and religious tests be used to exclude 1.6 billion people, 99.999999% of whom are as angry with the jihadis as the rest of us 5.5 billion non Muslims are.
I am telling you that Islam has an image problem, in addition to a real problem in that it has become attractive to more nutcases than is currently the case with other religions.
caribny, saying that Islam has an image problem means 2 things: (i) a belief that terrorism has its roots in the religion of Islam; (ii) Islam is not a religion of God but an ideology of evil.
You try to live in the world of (i) above and say you disavow (ii). Well you can't have it both ways, because to say there is an image problem with Islam means to deny Islam is a religion of God.
Now while you wail that Muslims can do nothing, and imply that NON Muslims must fix the problem.
You see that word "imply"? Now that's your construct.
No one says non-Muslims must fix the ISIS/Al Qaeda/Taliban problem. No one says that Muslims must fix that problem. All one is saying is that the problem must be fixed. It is when you ordain that ONLY Muslims can fix that problem because they "own" Islam, then you come to that construct of a Muslim/non-Muslim divide over fixing that problem. Worse, it feeds into the notion that Islam is not a religion of God as it has inherent violent flaws. In other words you seek to negate Islam as a religion, yet you say I lump you with baseman. Now you see how much align you are with baseman. Interesting that one must begin a sentence with your handle and that of baseman's with lower case letters. You are both of lower understanding of the human condition. He's a full-out bigiot and you have to defend such charges on your own.