D2 posted:VishMahabir posted:cain posted:Hinds is correct we read it right here about the government going after East Indians everytime someone is sent packing. If BJ placed mainly East Indians in positions who would get the boot when the time comes,a black person?
What he said about the sugar industry is also correct. BJ did nothing to help the situation, he just pumped money into a dying business.
Think about this. If there were more blacks in the sugar industry guess what he would have done?
True, but this is the mantra that Hinds and other Afrocentric leaders are singing in Guyana.
I dont believe that the PPP made a dedicated effort to disempower Blacks like Hinds is saying...they are not that smart.
But 3 hings are missing here:
1) The PPP did not tamper with the real seat of power: the army, police, bureaucracy...so much of what Hinds is saying is not logical.
2) Since the PNC now control real political power they can disenfranchise Indians, Amerindians, etc. Its not that difficult to do. Hinds is wrong on this...he is pushing his own agenda.
3) Assuming what Hinds is saying is the truth....how do we know when removing an Indian is not a deliberate act? Is there a criteria used for this??
The government need to set up a policy and plan as to how they are going to include the opposition in a future plan to tackle this problem.
Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure. Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.
Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship.
Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups. Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.
Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.
None of this would have happen if not for the base insidious diseased condition of greed that came from the PPP
I am taking a course on ethnic politics at Queens College and some of these issues ring a bell…so here are my comments.
Just look about you. There are no rich black elite from the PPP tenure.
Banna, we are not dealing in trivialities or anecdotal evidence…looking around me does not do anything for me. When I look around me in my neighborhood all I see a lot of white people who own a lot of businesses and have a lot of cars in their driveways. However, I also know that there are a lot of Asians in my neighborhood who are doing quite well. I can use the US census tract report to compile statistical report and I can check the business records to see how many of these ‘invisible” Asians are doing well in business in this neighborhood. My point is : your observation, like the good professor in based on a personal observation, not statistical evidence. How in the world is it possible that no single non-Indian, after 23 years has gotten rich under the PPP?
This is Yet everywhere you see the old and the new elites are Indians. Even T-shirts vendors building malls.
I am going to assume that this statement is a desperate attempt to confirm Hinds point.
Unless you are plainly stupid you will grasp that democracy is built around a stable well articulated and closely networked elite. They would sontaneously grow across the racial demographics if the democracy is organized around deliberation and discussion across the spectrum of the society. This elite is the social cement for progress and the only means to successful development of the society.When that elite is of one class, tribe, or ethnic group you have a dysfunctional democracy and it will inevitably decay into a dictatorship.
These statements may be true of the PPP. But the way its written, they could also be true of the PNC era before 1992. You seem to forget that Guyana history started many years back when the PNC had a deliberate policy of setting up a dictatorship, as well as an ethnic state, in which according to Clive Thomas, more than 80% of the economy was owned by the state….and who controlled the state??. The PPP simple continued in that tradition and ran a further deteriorated state. Lets be fair about this.
Take a look in our world today. Syria, Iraq...all have fractured elites; vertically segmented by tribes and horizontally divided by religious sects. Saddam did not build anything. His Baathist group were Sinis who deliberately subjugated other groups. Libya, was deliberately left tribal by Qaddafi. With him gone no summoning creed to weld the tribal enclaves into a whole. Syria is also similarly supported by a small sect who assumed all power to the detriment of others. The intolerable segmentation and dis-empowerment ultimately caused that society to explode.
Not sure what you are blabbering about here. You comparing sticks and berries…Guyana has its own unique problems
Hinds similarly chastise the APNU for their lack of transparency, lack of inclusiveness and myopia. Granger created this monstrous Presidential Ministry with satellites ministries projecting from the center from which every management decision radiate. He is reproducing the same PPP structure and this time it will be even more devastating for us given he will have the means to create an African elite class tens of times more rich and powerful than you can ever envision.
I agree that the black elite may become more filthy rich than any PPP member or supporter. However, you miss the point. Hinds agenda is an Afrocentric one. He wants to justify a redistribution of the state resources and empower Afros. He does not believe the govt is going far enough. In his mindset, Indians have nothing to ask for. So what about the majority of Indians who live in the hinterland, outside GT whose lives are dependent on cash crops and seasonal employment?
The problem with this position, as I said before, is that inevitably the Indians will perceive all actions by the current govt as based on racism against Indians. So my question to you and Hinds: How do the leaders tackle this problem in society and move forward? The PNC did not tackle it, the PPP did not have a solution and the current PNC-led government does not have a plan to convince the MAJORITY of Indians that its policy is not based on race.
What I am suggesting is that leaders (in government and opposition) must agree on some plan or formula for addressing this problem. Otherwise, the same issue will come up again if and when the PPP gets into office…because Guyana’s racial problems are not going away anytime soon.
Hinds has said some things that makes sense, but some of his utterances are way out of line.